32 point build veteran award

[Darkwolf]

Know what this reminds me of?

SWG fanboi's: I want to play a jedi, why can't I play one? It's to hard too unlock them. Those guys get to play jedi, it's not faaaaaaiiir.

SOE: Ok, fine. Everyone can play jedi now.

SWG Community at large: What the??? Way to trash a good game Sony, we're outa here.

*Begin mass exodus.

I know it's not exactly the same,
I'm just sayin.

[TheGreatEye]

yeah you are, and your obviously one of the people that ruined swg for good because of cries of instant gratification. right now a person can pop into this game and in a few weeks they can have a 32 point character by doing most the quests in the game and i feel like most others that it is a good system. what your saying is i can run the waterworks 21 times a day on 21 different characters and get my 1750 or because you started playing before someone else you DESERVE a 32 point build which is total hogwash. i'm sick of people like you and spill trying to change a games mechanics because your too lazy and feel you deserve something. just play the game the way you want and if you want your 32 points then do it the way it was designed, after all it isn't hard, it would take a little over a month as a casual player. then play the way you want after that, 32 point builds don't make you that great anyways, it's not some path to uberness.

yes, you have me. i ruined swg. wow dude. you need help.

i make you sick? hopefully you will do some personal reflection at some point and realize that this is just a game and your so called EARNINGS dont mean jack squat in the real world. its a game we all pay for. i hope you eventually find some balance in your life.

[FluffyCalico]

yes and since I pay the same as everyone I demand that I can hit "~godmode" and be invinceable. Please add that code for me so I can solo everything as since I pay per month I should get whatever I want.

[TheGreatEye]

yes and since I pay the same as everyone I demand that I can hit "~godmode" and be invinceable. Please add that code for me so I can solo everything as since I pay per month I should get whatever I want.

quite a witty response. i salute you sir.

[TheGreatEye]

Know what this reminds me of?


I know it's not exactly the same,
I'm just sayin.

Played jedi before the NGE. Still managed to keep my perspective in life. How about you?

edit: swg was a lesson learned for me. i wont waste my time in a game any longer doing something that was "work" for all intents and purposes. i will enjoy the way i play or unsubscribe. it matters not. i go to work to do work, i come home for entertainment and gratification. i wont confuse the two ever again.

[DelScorcho]

Please read through the entire thread. Not everyone plays the game straight through. There are other ways to play the game.

And you have chosen to play the way that does not result in 32 point builds. I don't have a problem with that, nor should you. 1750 favor rewards are open to all. There is a way to reach that level, and the only thing you need to do to obtain these builds is work on favor.

[HumanRogue]

I agree that Vet rewards are a valid method to reward people for helping keep a game alive. Why not make a vet reward for a 2 or 3 year reward. It could be something to this effect:

Option 1: Unlock 32pt build (Valuable to the casual gamer who just does not have the time or energy to get 1750.)
Option 2: Gain an additional character slot (Valuable to power gamers who already have 9 chars, and the 1750 favor.)

You only get one choice.

Leave the reward of unlocking the 32pt build and the +2 tome at 1750 in game.

Problem solved. The casual gammer does not need a 10th char slot and the power gamer does not need to unlock 1750. Both have an acceptable reward for paying money each mont and having diffrent play styles.

/signed (I'd love the extra character slots!)

[FluffyCalico]

"Option 2: Gain an additional character slot (Valuable to power gamers who already have 9 chars, and the 1750 favor.)"

Um that is a punishment not a reward. You give me another slot I will be tempted to make another alt and sorry I can only do the same low level quests so many times before I get bored and want to go to another game. I say no more character slots as I don't know what I would do with more alts.

[HumanRogue]

"Option 2: Gain an additional character slot (Valuable to power gamers who already have 9 chars, and the 1750 favor.)"

Um that is a punishment not a reward. You give me another slot I will be tempted to make another alt and sorry I can only do the same low level quests so many times before I get bored and want to go to another game. I say no more character slots as I don't know what I would do with more alts.

You wouldn't have to use another character slot if you didn't want to.
I'd like them though!

(Other ideas could be extra bank slots on all your characters, or being able to start new characters at 4th level, or even not having to pay postage on your in-game mail, etc...)

[FluffyCalico]

You wouldn't have to use another character slot if you didn't want to.
I'd like them though!

(Other ideas could be extra bank slots on all your characters, or being able to start new characters at 4th level, or even not having to pay postage on your in-game mail, etc...)

Yes yes I would have to use it lol.

Now if you say extra bag slot for the character who had the favor now you are talking!!

[krud]

GreatEye and spill, please explain why what I proposed will not work for you:

Favor for unlocking builds is account-wide. Merge the favor credits from all characters on your account to obtain total account favor. You retain any gains made by deleted characters. Use one character, or many, to explore all the content. The result is the same as far as build rewards are concerned.

Seems to be the perfect solution for the obsessive reroller. You get to play and reroll as many characters as you want. There is plenty of favor to hit 1750 even if you stop at level 10 each time. Why wouldn't this work?

[Quarren]

Played jedi before the NGE. Still managed to keep my perspective in life. How about you?

edit: swg was a lesson learned for me. i wont waste my time in a game any longer doing something that was "work" for all intents and purposes. i will enjoy the way i play or unsubscribe. it matters not. i go to work to do work, i come home for entertainment and gratification. i wont confuse the two ever again.

if you played jedi before you would realize 1750 is just a joke, it's not even work. If you like permadeth then play it, roll a favor character and then permadeth to your hearts content. Don't ask for changes to game mechanics that will only benefit a small few when a system is in place where anyone can obtain a reward. this is exactly the same BS that went down with SWG "i play permadeth but i've been here since 06, cry cry.." you pay to play yes, but the content you payed for has already been added. It's not about earnings either who cares if you get 1750 and 32 point builds really, it's about the cries for changes to a system that is already in place that works well. i'm working on 1750 with a 3rd character and i left for a year or more, i'm a casual player and i've started on the last 2 since march. it isn't hard.

[Nott]

GreatEye and spill, please explain why what I proposed will not work for you:

Favor for unlocking builds is account-wide. Merge the favor credits from all characters on your account to obtain total account favor. You retain any gains made by deleted characters. Use one character, or many, to explore all the content. The result is the same as far as build rewards are concerned.

Seems to be the perfect solution for the obsessive reroller. You get to play and reroll as many characters as you want. There is plenty of favor to hit 1750 even if you stop at level 10 each time. Why wouldn't this work?

I don't believe your solution would work for Spill, since he doesn't care to run anything more than once per character apparently. (How he reconciles that without having a problem running any given quest multiple times with myriad characters is beyond me.) I don't know if you would reach 1750 running level 10 and under content to elite, but I'm certain if you only ever run on normal, you won't hit 1750 any time soon. As to TheGreatEye, I don't recall his playstyle so I don't know how your proposal would or would not affect him.

Personally, though I have two 1750 characters (and a third is about 200 favor away), I think your proposal is a good one, and it would be in line with 32 point builds being an account award rather than character award... tome to a character that solely reaches 1750, but 32 point unlock to an account that (after disallowing duplicate favor for the same quest) would have 1750 if all character achievements were joined.

[Brynn]

Played jedi before the NGE. Still managed to keep my perspective in life. How about you?

edit: swg was a lesson learned for me. i wont waste my time in a game any longer doing something that was "work" for all intents and purposes. i will enjoy the way i play or unsubscribe. it matters not. i go to work to do work, i come home for entertainment and gratification. i wont confuse the two ever again.

I agree with Eye here. What some of you seem to be missing is that grinding is a BAD game design. Most people who play these games don't want to play a game that feels more like work than fun. Grinding is work and it takes the fun out of the game.

SWG was one of the worst designs with regard to grinding - leveling and crafting. There needs to be some balance between effort and reward. To create a game that caters exclusively to "hardcore grinders" is a bad business decision as well. What most of these companies are finding is that the majority of their player base are casual players. That's why people leave when they realize they can't achieve anything without weeks worth of grinding. Sony wouldn't have made a decision unless it benefitted the "majority" of the community. I personally think NGE was too far of a swing in the opposite direction but it was a far better model than the constant Jedi grind.

[Cowdenicus]

Yes yes I would have to use it lol.

Now if you say extra bag slot for the character who had the favor now you are talking!!

Some of us have OCD. I know I have every character slot on Ghallanda full, and about 15 on other servers and if the wife wouldnt castrate me, I would probably have a couple characters on her account, unfortunatly I do have to sleep sometime.

[EazyWeazy]

To the OP,

I stopped reading everything after the first page so I don't know if this was mentioned or not. The question in your mind that you need to figure out is if having a 32 point build available for all the new characters you create is worth spending the time on ONE (1) character to unlock.

In my mind the answer is an easy yes. I'm not a grinder, but I am a power gamer of sorts. I worked my cleric all the way to cap and worked for favor the entire way. This was back when 12 was the cap and it was difficult to get the favor. I made sure that I did this before I invested too heavily in alternate characters so that when I did want to roll alternates...they would be 32 point builds.

None of my other characters have reached 1750, but just by playing the way I play...I am within 100 favor points on 3 of my alternates without even trying. I got what I wanted by grinding the first character for favor and now the rest is coming pretty easily.

If it is something that you really want...then it is worth the effort. If it is not worth the effort...then it isn't something you really want.

[Darkwolf]

Played jedi before the NGE. Still managed to keep my perspective in life. How about you?

As a matter of fact, no. I never unlocked jedi, and do you know what? Didn't bother me one bit. I didn't have the time, so I didn't get the reward. Simple as that. I don't really believe that I deserve a trophey for coming in 17th place, as some do.

All in all, I think my perspective is pretty good, thanks for askin.

[Milolyen]

I agree with Eye here. What some of you seem to be missing is that grinding is a BAD game design. Most people who play these games don't want to play a game that feels more like work than fun. Grinding is work and it takes the fun out of the game.

SWG was one of the worst designs with regard to grinding - leveling and crafting. There needs to be some balance between effort and reward. To create a game that caters exclusively to "hardcore grinders" is a bad business decision as well. What most of these companies are finding is that the majority of their player base are casual players. That's why people leave when they realize they can't achieve anything without weeks worth of grinding. Sony wouldn't have made a decision unless it benefitted the "majority" of the community. I personally think NGE was too far of a swing in the opposite direction but it was a far better model than the constant Jedi grind.

Please define "grind" for me. Because if you watch these boards at all you will soon realize what one person considers a "grind" is totally different from what another person considers to be a "grind".

To me "grind" means to do something you don't care to do because you feel you need too.

Would this be an accurate deffinition? If you take out of the game everything any given player feels to be a "grind" in this game ... there would be no game. To me lvling up a char from 1-10 only to delet him and create a new char dozens of times = grind. To the OP playing all the content in game as you lvl upto lvl 16 = grind. Some people love haveing a goal to work towards (1750 favor) others feel it is a "grind". Some people love the way craft your own raid loot system for the shroud others feel it is a "grind". It is impossible to create a game to fit the needs of thousands of players without including "grinds" because the deffinition of what is a "grind" between those thousands of players is as varied as the individuals playing the game. YOU choose the way you play THEY put in rewards how THEY see fit and if you have time to lvl even 3 chars up to lvl 10 then you have more than enough time to get 1 char to 1750 favor.

If it is something you want then put in the effert to get it NOTHING in life is free and a reward isn't a reward if it isn't earned. One can easily gain 600 favor by the time they are lvl 8, 1750 favor would = 3 chars getting to lvl 8. That is so easily done that it does not compair to getting 1 char to 1750 at about lvl 14 with a little work on favor runs. From my experience lvl 9 and 10 are the hardest to work through and if you have made it to lvl 10 then you are over the hump on getting your 1750.

Milolyen

[uncus2]

Can 10 day trials post here? I'm wondering because I haven't seen:

"Hey buddy - you want 1750 account? www.stupid-elitist-"I-Earned-it"-B***s***".com will make account you likey with 1 character with favor. You make rest 32 point!"

Grind=Goldspammers
Eliminate the grind and you'll eliminate the goldspammers

[Milolyen]

Can 10 day trials post here? I'm wondering because I haven't seen:

"Hey buddy - you want 1750 account? www.stupid-elitist-"I-Earned-it"-B***s***".com will make account you likey with 1 character with favor. You make rest 32 point!"

Grind=Goldspammers
Eliminate the grind and you'll eliminate the goldspammers

See my post above yours. Please define "Grind" better than I did if you can.

Milolyen