+3 Stats tome...Yes or no...

[sirgog]

But is it technically "raid loot"? I thought you could pull an unbound +3 tome, however rare...

Already voted so don't count this, but this is not true. There is no way to pull +3 tomes outside of raids, except from the Festivult event.

Just like there's no way to pull +5 hearts of wood, except via myDDO lotteries - they are store-only except for something so rare that noone really notices it.

[Ravoc-DDO]

No

These should be earned. I'm fine for things that preserve those you have, but clean ones should not be buyable by the store.

[Shmuel]

No

[PurdueDave]

Yes by default in the "don't care" camp.

[Mastese]

I'm on the fence.

NO: I don't think it's good for the game overall. I respect the rarity of these tomes and the work that others have had to put in to earn them the hard way. I recognize that this devalues +3 Tomes that have been pulled through commitment of time and sheer determination. They will no longer be special (even if this is for a limited time...that means that someday...they will be back again!)

YES: In just thinking of myself, it's a very practical and attractive option. I don't have as much time to play as I would like to given the demands of my career and personal life outside of DDO (I know...what's that?). With the predominance of Elitist attitudes in the community, you are either a "Have" or a "Have Not". If you are a "Have Not", it's less and less likely nowadays that you will be given sufficient opportunities to achieve "Have" status as we tend to be so judgmental of others. For example, If I've never run TOD before, I'm more likely to be excluded from available TOD runs as my inexperience could be a liability (not to mention the leader's reaction when he now see's that I only have 250 HP's!). So due to the combination of these factors, this could be an ideal option for me.

-Mastese

[amnota]

Yes

It is now and always has been all about the Benjamins.

And I have no problem with that.

I must have missed the part where Turbine said that you HAVE to buy a +3 tome from the store.

[Zess-wolf]

Last update of the day, post 26.

Its really divided, thanks sirgog nice points you brought.

Until now we have a balance between yes and no, lets see tomorrow.

Cheers,

zess

[LightInDark]

Yes IDC

[Xenostrata]

I probably won't buy one, but yes.

Once the start putting in +4 tomes or actual named raid loot? That's when I'll worry.

[Scraap]

nope

[bokaboka]

A shift in average toon power does affect everyone through balancing new content or rebalancing old. It's naive to think otherwise.

Do I think this is a massive shift? Not really...

but as far as the OP's question....NO

[Kalari]

personally Id say no but you know what this isnt the game I came to anymore. Its not the same they divided the community with things like payment tiers, took away what favor means, in my opinion taken away from what being a paid subscriber means, and slowly but surely will take away any incentive to run raids for the chance at rare drops. Call me doom sayer at this point who cares.

Let them add whatever they want to the store if people want to buy levels, tomes, rare drops let them let them spend spend and move on for the next person to do the same, give players unlimited power and balance it by raising the hp on mobs instead of shifting dynamics because thats how you make a golden mmo right?

Meh you can tally my vote either way im really in the "dont care" anymore department shocking but this latest marketing tactic has numbed me to the game more then before. And if this is not the last word I have on this may all the people who like taking pot shots have at me but honestly im done expressed my dissatisfaction on it realized as many have said "no one cares." I'll just continue to be a faceless dollar sign till something better is released.

[Calebro]

I probably won't buy one, but yes.

Once the start putting in +4 tomes or actual named raid loot? That's when I'll worry.

When you can name one other place that drops +3 tomes besides raids and the extremely rare coin turn in, then I will accept that as your reasoning. Until that point, your given reason is unreasonable.
+3 tomes ARE actual raid loot. They are no different from the +4 tomes that you say you would then be worried about, except they're slightly less rare than +4s.
Note that I did not say they were more common, because that would imply that they were common to begin with, and they are not.
They are simply less rare.

[RTN]

No.

[rayworks]

I don't like it, but no one is making me (or you) buy one.

[Xenostrata]

When you can name one other place that drops +3 tomes besides raids and the extremely rare coin turn in, then I will accept that as your reasoning. Until that point, your given reason is unreasonable.
+3 tomes ARE actual raid loot. They are no different from the +4 tomes that you say you would then be worried about, except they're slightly less rare than +4s.
Note that I did not say they were more common, because that would imply that they were common to begin with, and they are not.
They are simply less rare.

Allow me to quote myself from one of Sirgog's many threads on this subject:

People need to stop getting angry based on a principle they feel has been broken.

Be angry when something actually bad happens. Don't start raging because of bad precedents, or because you think it violates the rules of the game. Be pragmatic - only worry when you have to.

To be honest, I couldn't give a rat's ass about them selling raid loot. If they started selling things like the Amulet of the Azure Prophecy, or Treason, or the Helm of Frost, I couldn't care less. What matters is the power and rarity of the item - once they start putting up SoSs for sale, or +4 tomes, or the Torc. These things would be game breaking, and being able to buy them without grind would be bad.

I would also be opposed to being able to buy a Pale Lavender Ioun Stone. Is it raid loot? No, but it's rare and expensive and powerful - therefore, not something that should be sold in the store.

Short Version: Only start worrying when they start selling things that are actually game changing.

[Calebro]

People need to stop getting angry based on a principle they feel has been broken.

Except is isn't a principle that has been broken. It's is a promise from Turbine that no raid loot would be sold in the store that is being broken.
Promise, not principle.
Big difference.

[Xenostrata]

Except is isn't a principle that has been broken. It's is a promise from Turbine that no raid loot would be sold in the store that is being broken.
Promise, not principle.
Big difference.

Same difference.

You are still worrying over an idea, not a practical application. +3 tomes won't break the game if people can buy them as well as grind them. Sure, it makes Turbine look bad, but that's not the first nor will it be the last thing to do so.

[Oakianus]

Except is isn't a principle that has been broken. It's is a promise from Turbine that no raid loot would be sold in the store that is being broken.
Promise, not principle.
Big difference.

Except tomes aren't raid loot due to being a Festivault drop, so not really.

[Calebro]

Look at it this way:
The outrage when Artificer wasn't offered to VIPs, while not also being currently available by favor unlock doesn't actually break a promise, because they will become available by favor unlock.
No promise was broken, and people were livid.

This time an ACTUAL promise is being broken, and some people are OK with it.
That's the disturbing part.