+3 Stats tome...Yes or no...

[Musouka]

I am ambivalent on this subject.

[grodon9999]

This time an ACTUAL promise is being broken, and some people are OK with it.
That's the disturbing part.

Over a video game? You act like it's a sacred pact for the sake of the world. I don't trust Turbine as far as I could throw Fernando but in the grand scheme of things does any of it matter?

[Calebro]

Over a video game? You act like it's a sacred pact for the sake of the world. I don't trust Turbine as far as I could throw Fernando but in the grand scheme of things does any of it matter?

You know what? You're right. Integrity has no place in business. What was I thinking?!?

[Calebro]

Except tomes aren't raid loot due to being a Festivault drop, so not really.

Greensteel blanks drop in Festivault. Are you going to tell me that Greensteel isn't raid loot because of that?
/argument fail

[heyytoi]

No.

You don't deserve the good stuff if you don't work for it.

[Deanarth]

Answer: No

I'm one of those people that would buy +3 tomes from the store. Does this mean I agree with it? No, it doesn't. But when it comes to power creep, I'll try to stay on top of it. I would much rather see a Heart of Wood that allows you to keep consumed tomes upon TRing than +3 tomes in the store, not because of the cost issue but rather the work involved.* And I don't have a stack of +3 on any of my characters (well, I do have a +3 Cha and +3 Con on one character, but that was weird luck).

As far as the talk of making +3 tomes more commonplace and selling in the store, this I would not be so opposed to as well.

*I wanted to mention at this point that I understand grinding 20 completions takes patience, not skill, but it still involves a certain amount of effort put towards that end, a type of dedication that means you've earned it. I would always prefer skill over grind type challenges.

[Dark_Helmet]

No.
No tomes, ever, should be bought from the store. They should be earned.

Anything that gives a permanent advantage to a character should not be allowed in the store.

[Mister_Peace]

no, unless the +3 tomes become not raid loot

[Chette]

As long as +3 tomes remain raid loot only, not commonly available from quests, and not tradeable, then ABSO-FREAKING-LUTELY NOT!

I would, on the other hand, be amenable to +3 tomes essentially "replacing" +2 tomes and being on the regular tables in high level quests and being completely unbound. Then their being sold in the store would not be so bad (though I'd still prefer not).

[Xenostrata]

Look at it this way:
The outrage when Artificer wasn't offered to VIPs, while not also being currently available by favor unlock doesn't actually break a promise, because they will become available by favor unlock.
No promise was broken, and people were livid.

This time an ACTUAL promise is being broken, and some people are OK with it.
That's the disturbing part.

I was also ****ed off at this.

Whether or not it was promised doesn't make me more or less angry. My sister has never promised not to try and kill me, I would still be angry if she did.

Whether or not a promise was kept or broken makes me think less or more of Turbine as a business. Artificer's should've been given to VIPs, because that is what they paid for: access to everything, no need to pay for it separately. This was something that actually made sense to be angry about, since something that VIPs were actively paying money for was denied to them (I'm of the opinion that VIPs should get access to FvS and Drow without favor, too). However, selling +3 tomes isn't game breaking, it isn't taking away something someone has payed for, and it won't do anything but damage Turbine's reputation a bit.

[Xenostrata]

Greensteel blanks drop in Festivault. Are you going to tell me that Greensteel isn't raid loot because of that?
/argument fail

Well, since the shards/mats don't drop there, then thaat doesn't count either.

Whether or not it's raid loot doesn't matter though, it's whether or not allowing people to get it without working for it would be game breaking.

[Mackem]

No.

Short Version: Only start worrying when they start selling things that are actually game changing

It "IS" game changing.

A lot of players (including me) run conventional raids for 20/40/80 etc completions for a chance to get a +3.
I do not need any gear from Hound, Reaver, VoD and I run Shroud whenever I am bored.

I'd expect that older players will just stop running those because they have all the gear they need, the raids are boring and +3's are now buyable.
I'd expect the newer players still willing to run them won't have as many LFM's as there used to be (already happening due to u11 changes) and will have hard time to get the raid items. Next logical step - make rest raid items buyable too?

It is yet another step to change the DDO we used to know into a somewhat different game.

[darkrune]

140 Reavers
60 tods
60 shrouds
40 epic velahs
27 epic dq2
40 Vod
22 hox
= 0 +3/4 int tome for my main pm wizzy. I think I deserve one therefore I WILL be buying one. Then promptly putting it in the bank to finally TR.

[Xenostrata]

No.



It "IS" game changing.

A lot of players (including me) run conventional raids for 20/40/80 etc completions for a chance to get a +3.
I do not need any gear from Hound, Reaver, VoD and I run Shroud whenever I am bored.

I'd expect that older players will just stop running those because they have all the gear they need, the raids are boring and +3's are now buyable.
I'd expect the newer players still willing to run them won't have as many LFM's as there used to be (already happening due to u11 changes) and will have hard time to get the raid items. Next logical step - make rest raid items buyable too?

It is yet another step to change the DDO we used to know into a somewhat different game.

I'm sorry, but being able to get +1 attack/damage, 20 hp, or 29 sp is not game breaking, especially since it will only apply if a +2 tome left you on an odd number.

I know that, even if these things become permanent fixtures of the store, I will still grind them out instead of buying them. Why? Because NONE of them are required by any of my builds, so I can wait long enough to not spend 10-15$ on a couple of higher numbers on my character sheet.

[Xenostrata]

140 Reavers
60 tods
60 shrouds
40 epic velahs
27 epic dq2
40 Vod
22 hox
= 0 +3/4 int tome for my main pm wizzy. I think I deserve one therefore I WILL be buying one. Then promptly putting it in the bank to finally TR.

Wow, ouch. My sorc has been getting a **** ton of +3 int tomes, even though he will never really use them. Got one from reaver's end list (only tome, nothing else left) and one from Shroud at a time when I thought I would be TRing soon into wiz (I didn't).

[Soleran]

I'm sorry, but being able to get +1 attack/damage, 20 hp, or 29 sp is not game breaking, especially since it will only apply if a +2 tome left you on an odd number.

I know that, even if these things become permanent fixtures of the store, I will still grind them out instead of buying them. Why? Because NONE of them are required by any of my builds, so I can wait long enough to not spend 10-15$ on a couple of higher numbers on my character sheet.

No one has said it would be game breaking, it's game changing and it does provide a large benefit for min/max builds. It saves points and allows you to spread points out more conveniently. Paladins , Fighter (SD) twf classes etc etc should be super happy it does provide alot of benefit.

I would also be opposed to being able to buy a Pale Lavender Ioun Stone. Is it raid loot? No, but it's rare and expensive and powerful - therefore, not something that should be sold in the store.

I would rather them sell things like this on the DDO store since I can use plat and trade for one anytime I want. Plus 3 tomes are BTC and there is no market for me to purchase them since they are super rare and if you get a +3 tome there is no guarantee that it will be useful to your build/class.

My answer is no to +3 tomes in the DDO store.

[darkrune]

Wow, ouch. My sorc has been getting a **** ton of +3 int tomes, even though he will never really use them. Got one from reaver's end list (only tome, nothing else left) and one from Shroud at a time when I thought I would be TRing soon into wiz (I didn't).

Only time I have ever been genuinely ticked with greed before need was people passing a +4 int tome to a rogue (yes I know they can use for skills) knowing that was all my toon needed in there. But such is life and I got over it in a minute and continued the grind. I actually am running reaver 140 tomorrow or Sunday (can't remember if I is 139 or 138) so I hope that my luck finally cashes in and I don have to buy one but if I don't get it you can bet that I will.

[Mackem]

I'm sorry, but being able to get +1 attack/damage, 20 hp, or 29 sp is not game breaking, especially since it will only apply if a +2 tome left you on an odd number.

Please read my post again, than count how many LFM's are up there right now for the commonplace pre-u11 raids. I am sure after +3's make their way to the store, there will be even less.

Once again, "game changing" =/ "game breaking". This won't break the game, but surely will change it considerably.

[crestoftheknave]

No.....

As much as i could use a +3 str tome I feel that being able to go right out and buy it with out earning it takes away from the..... idk what the feeling is but i have to say i disagree.

[flaggson]

yes.. some people are good at spending alot of time on the game and farming... some people are good at making money and spending it to support the game.... I'm good with either type of player..