Noob thinks 32 point builds should be for all.

[Uska]

not 100%.. it's a way to SPEED up shroud grinding.. but can be done on one character.I do understand what your getting at, it's just the

YOu HAVE to play A to start B on an equal footing of most people's new toons..

Almost all the vets have 32pts unlocked.. for me it's basically been 1 1/2 months of playing a character to get to the character i want to play, to enjoy all the experimentation with building, instead i say, "well i better play that cleric to scratch toward the 1750 .. "

Again, it's just a feeling i don't like, i know turns off some new players, and has no positive.. none, so what's the point.. 1750 you get your +2 tome, which is way more of an incentive.. i personally spend my time looking more for 0 xp favor runs then anything else, not that much fun imo.. a very bad game mechanic in my opinion.. <--opinion.. PLEASE notice the word opinion..

Due to technical issues I started over on a new server so I have no gear to twink my guys nor do I have 32pt builds yet I am very happy without either and no I am not transfering one of my 32pt builds to unlock to me its a waste of money at the price it is. And it does have a positive for me its a goal to reach but not to grind for I am working at it as I go about making my new characters again anyone crying is a whiner and needs to find a game they like better because if it wasnt this they would be crying about something else.

[Xalted_Vol]

Why not really? It seems silly the game has been out for a very long time!

[HumanJHawkins]

No I think 32pt are a reward anyone who thinks otherwise is a whiner and I would rather see them quit then hear them whine think about that.

The problem is that it rewards the person, not the character. This is entirely different than the way most games work, and there is a reason for that.

How many people would play chess, if there were some rule like once you have won 100 games, you can thereafter move a pawn like a bishop for one move in any game. Even if you are playing against a new player who wasn't involved in any of those first 100 games.

Or, we could have a Pac Man tournament where last year's leading scorers get an extra second of invulnerability after eating the big dot in the corner. Anyone new coming in would have to do without. How many new players would join that tournament?

You might want an advantage over new players, but many of us would rather have a more equal playing field... Nobody here (except perhaps you) is whining about anything. I have 32 point builds. I just think it is asinine that I get bonuses over new players like deadz just because I have been around longer.

[Xylitol]

Not going to read whole thread and dont know if this have been mentioned earlier... They could just made so that 28 point build would have "special" tome as a reward that would make them essentially to 32 point build after reaching 1750 favor.

This would mean that your "grinding" 28 point would become 32 point build (and all builds after that just like now) and you still had reason to get that 1750 favor.

[Uska]

The problem is that it rewards the person, not the character. This is entirely different than the way most games work, and there is a reason for that.

How many people would play chess, if there were some rule like once you have won 100 games, you can thereafter move a pawn like a bishop for one move in any game. Even if you are playing against a new player who wasn't involved in any of those first 100 games.

Or, we could have a Pac Man tournament where last year's leading scorers get an extra second of invulnerability after eating the big dot in the corner. Anyone new coming in would have to do without. How many new players would join that tournament?

You might want an advantage over new players, but many of us would rather have a more equal playing field... Nobody here (except perhaps you) is whining about anything. I have 32 point builds. I just think it is asinine that I get bonuses over new players like deadz just because I have been around longer.

you clearly havent read my posts I am playing on a new server without 32pt builds or tiwnk gear and I still say no. I have no advantage over new players in fact new players have an advantage over what we have they can get some fairly decent gear rather quickly now. So think before say someone wants an advantage hmm I dont have it and dont see myself getting on my new server anytime soon as I refuse to pay $25 for a transfer

[Thoreg]

If you want to give them 32 points right out of the gate why don't we just go ahead and give them 10 character slots, 10 +2 tomes, houses favor,10 Green Steel items of their choice and throw in 10 million platinum. This idea is ridiculous. We all had to work for our 1750 favor, so should the new players.

[Seneca_Windforge]

If you want to give them 32 points right out of the gate why don't we just go ahead and give them 10 character slots, 10 +2 tomes, houses favor,10 Green Steel items of their choice and throw in 10 million platinum. This idea is ridiculous. We all had to work for our 1750 favor, so should the new players.

Hazing is just plain silly.

[Seneca_Windforge]

The problem is that it rewards the person, not the character. This is entirely different than the way most games work, and there is a reason for that.

How many people would play chess, if there were some rule like once you have won 100 games, you can thereafter move a pawn like a bishop for one move in any game. Even if you are playing against a new player who wasn't involved in any of those first 100 games.

Or, we could have a Pac Man tournament where last year's leading scorers get an extra second of invulnerability after eating the big dot in the corner. Anyone new coming in would have to do without. How many new players would join that tournament?

You might want an advantage over new players, but many of us would rather have a more equal playing field... Nobody here (except perhaps you) is whining about anything. I have 32 point builds. I just think it is asinine that I get bonuses over new players like deadz just because I have been around longer.

It's too bad grognards are immune to logic and reason.

You might just want to write him off as a lost cause.

[sisterjinx]

I love love love favor running. The way I do it is I get a toon up to higher levels and then go back and do all the lower stuff I missed. You feel godlike. lol
I agree that maybe it's time to rethink the level back to 1000 favor instead of 1750 or maybe even down to like 1250 but I still love to go back and do it. I know lots of people who don't bother on their 32pt builds to worry about it but I've done it on a couple just for the tome.
Hubby and I are always open to helping with favor runs as well. Look us up. We play on Khyber and Argo. Look for the Shy's or the John's

[Deadz]

No I think 32pt are a reward anyone who thinks otherwise is a whiner and I would rather see them quit then hear them whine think about that.

i hope noone lets you raise children, lol

[Rholt25]

I think 32 point builds should be harder to get. Also, I think that you should only be able to use it ONLY on the Toon that you actually got the favor on. So if you do want a 32 point toon, you would have to reroll the toon that you got it on.

[Deadz]

Due to technical issues I started over on a new server so I have no gear to twink my guys nor do I have 32pt builds yet I am very happy without either and no I am not transfering one of my 32pt builds to unlock to me its a waste of money at the price it is. And it does have a positive for me its a goal to reach but not to grind for I am working at it as I go about making my new characters again anyone crying is a whiner and needs to find a game they like better because if it wasnt this they would be crying about something else.

tip for you, you are honestly just making yourself look petty and childish by inserting "you are a whiner" into a very good debate about the pro's and con's of making a change like this to the game. Which, imo, won't really do much more then be a nice debate, except for that child saying "you are a whiner" every other post..

Seriously, try to be constructive instead of childish, it might due you some good in life.
You currently look the fool.

[RazorrX]

It took me a long time to get to 1750 favor. A very long time. I unlocked Drow, played him until he was about 3-400 shy of 1750 and rolled another character to help some friends who had just come to the game, helped level them up, etc. but always was striving for that 1750 favor. (and that character was a 28 pt halfling that I still have)

I personally just do not like to play drow (old pnp bias, they are monsters not players).

I disagree with all the whining. It gave me something to strive for. It gave me a goal besides the next loot run.

I learned a lot during the time I got that favor. I *hopefully* learned to play a bit better, learned how to make a DDO character vs a PnP character, etc. As gimped as my original drow favor monkey is, I still think the biggest difference between him and others is gear. I have HORRIBLE loot pulls. Either it is something I can not use at all (non prof weapon) or wrong race (WHY do I only pull WF only items when i do not play WF???)

So I totally disagree with the whole "Give me this free" thing. No. Go earn something for once.

[Freeman]

You might want an advantage over new players, but many of us would rather have a more equal playing field... Nobody here (except perhaps you) is whining about anything. I have 32 point builds. I just think it is asinine that I get bonuses over new players like deadz just because I have been around longer.

Again, allowing anyone to make 32pt characters from the start would NOT equal the playing field. It would give anyone with high level 28pt chars a disadvantage, simply because they had been around longer. At least current new players can KNOW they need to hit 1750 favor before they can create 32pt characters. Those of us that were with the game in the beginning couldn't know that, so we didn't have the option to get the favor before we rolled up more characters. I know several players that have five or more capped 28pt chars that they still play regularly. How does access to 32pt builds give those characters an advantage over characters that a new player makes?

[Dexxaan]

I'm sure this argument has happened 100 times but let me say my peace, then you can trash it all you want .
.....SNIP......

Just my opinion, but i can live with trieing like heck to grind out those points to get my 32 pointer, i'd just rather roll my 32 point rogue and enjoy him .

First of all, thanks for permission to thrash this.

Secondly and most important, and like your Title says:

"Noob thinks 32 pt. builds should be for all"

And I have to agree with you. Why?

Because you´re a noob. And because you are a noob you´d think that.

Just fyi I´d also just like to roll out a Porsche Cayenne Turbo S (like my 65 yr old neighbor does on Sundays - The only day he doesn´t WORK) but guess what I enjoy quality time and work so everything at it´s own time.......sorry no entitlement support from me.

Now stay off the forums and grind some favor!

[Arianrhod]

Sigh....all the vets know first characters are most likely going to get rerolled, no matter how many points they're built with. But that doesn't change the fact no one wants to admit it when first starting out. We all want to think we're the exception, the one who will get it right the first time. That's what makes the "starter character" concept rankle so. Since it really doesn't matter that much (as most people seem to agree), there really isn't much downside to replacing the 1750 favor reward with something else (that rewards the character earning it, rather than some other character that doesn't exist yet), PROVIDED all 28-point characters get the extra 4 build points as soon as the change goes live.

If everyone started with 32-point builds, most first characters would still get rerolled; we know that. But it would remove the "training wheels" image new players are currently stuck with.

[Deadz]

First of all, thanks for permission to thrash this.

Secondly and most important, and like your Title says:

"Noob thinks 32 pt. builds should be for all"

And I have to agree with you. Why?

Because you´re a noob. And because you are a noob you´d think that.
- even though in reality i been around ddo for more then a year, i just like the title :P

Just fyi I´d also just like to roll out a Porsche Cayenne Turbo S (like my 65 yr old neighbor does on Sundays - The only day he doesn´t WORK) but guess what I enjoy quality time and work so everything at it´s own time.......sorry no entitlement support from me.
-- i worked hard for my house, my cars, paid of my college loans, oh graduated college, take care of sick family members, raise my newborn.. i do plenty of things i have to "work" at w/ life, this is something that's "play time" it shouldn't feel like work.

Now stay off the forums and grind some favor!
--I have to work, unfortunately

But forums really do pass the time at work.

One more thing i'd like to add to my opinion on this subject, is people talk about earning favor, yet most favor runs i see are people standing around while higher lvls do the favor earning.. People say "EARN IT!!!" yet the mechanic makes it so most people who power through it don't earn it, don't participate, they run along, loot the chests, and get the favor, without doing anything.

YOur all SNOWED if you think it's anything other then breed a culture of not playing a game, but having others do it for you.

[Deadz]

No. Go earn something for once.

Again, if it was something i could earn on that character i'd have no problem, but instead, i'm spending time on these favor runs being in quests i have no business being let in the front door, collecting loot i shouldn't be able to loot, and basically just playing follow the leader.. It's not about earning it, when most people who power through favor aren't doing any of the "work" you seem to think we should all do.

[Deadz]

PROVIDED all 28-point characters get the extra 4 build points as soon as the change goes live.

See very tough change to make, cause with 4 extra build points, who knows how a character would have been built, when costs of stats scale..

[Dexxaan]

Again, if it was something i could earn on that character i'd have no problem, but instead, i'm spending time on these favor runs being in quests i have no business being let in the front door, collecting loot i shouldn't be able to loot, and basically just playing follow the leader.. It's not about earning it, when most people who power through favor aren't doing any of the "work" you seem to think we should all do.

Let me get this right. You´re complaining because others are doing the work for your favor grinding. (nowadays simply levelling a toon to Level 11-12 is pretty much a 1750 guarantee....BTW)

I´m starting to believe you´d complain if people join your favor runs and YOU did all the work also.

Which leads me to conclude your gonna complain no matter what.

Start twisting whats been said in this thread a bit and you´ll officially be a member of the ........ (avoiding infraction points.....) ..... Power Gamer, Warforged and something else hating club.