+3 Stats tome...Yes or no...

[Xenostrata]

Please read my post again, than count how many LFM's are up there right now for the commonplace pre-u11 raids. I am sure after +3's make their way to the store, there will be even less.

Once again, "game changing" =/ "game breaking". This won't break the game, but surely will change it considerably.

The lack of raid LFMs is due to Cove right now, and in all likelihood they will stay down until Mabar is over. Then they will pick back up again.

I think that you are vastly overestimating the number of people who would rather pay RL money for a tome than find it for free. Maybe after the first 20 runs, but I don't think many people will buy them right off the bat.

Also note that they are limited time only things (probably will come back, but who knows). They will not be effecting LFMs for some time to come.

[GeneralDiomedes]

I can't say I am not relishing the thought of buying one.

[Trench]

Yes.

I've been looking for a +3 dex tome for over a year for my monk and at this point I would purchase one rather than run another 120 easy raids.

[ZeroTakenaka]

No.

[sirgog]

Edit: Again, this post is not a vote. I have already voted.

Look at it this way:
The outrage when Artificer wasn't offered to VIPs, while not also being currently available by favor unlock doesn't actually break a promise, because they will become available by favor unlock.
No promise was broken, and people were livid.

This time an ACTUAL promise is being broken, and some people are OK with it.
That's the disturbing part.

I consider Artificer a broken promise, just one that didn't affect me. And it's one with a remedy in the medium term - not perfect at all, but not terrible.

Honestly my main reaction to the Artificer issue was 'this strikes me as a poor business judgement by Turbine that will make more VIPs convert to Premium, hurting long-term revenues'.

+3 Tomes, OTOH - this represents a pretty major shift in Turbine's business model. Away from 'pay for convenience, cosmetics and content, character power reflects in-game achievements only' and toward Zynga/Evony style 'character power primarily reflects money spent'.

It certainly isn't at Zynga levels yet, but it is a clear step in that direction.

[Bunker]

There are plenty of +3 tomes looted in the game every day across all servers. Since I am not apart of anyones loot, I am also not apart of anyones purchases. Buy or Loot, it all has nothing to do with me, so I say BUY ON!!!!!

-Bunk

[Auran82]

I think that you are vastly overestimating the number of people who would rather pay RL money for a tome than find it for free. Maybe after the first 20 runs, but I don't think many people will buy them right off the bat.

I think you are vastly underestimating how many people will buy +3 tomes because other people have them, and their characters are really good, so if they get +3 Tome(s) it will make their character(s) so much better.

I think if we had access to the sales numbers, alot of people would be truly terrified at how many copies of some items are sold. Hell, you hear people all the time talking about using +2 supreme tomes on their newly made character once they hit level 7, and they are what, 2500 points or something? Tomes must make them a hell of alot of money, so it would be logical that the bean counters would want them to sell bigger (stronger, faster) tomes.

[Auran82]

It certainly isn't at Zynga levels yet, but it is a clear step in that direction.

How many surveys on the offer wall do you think I would need to do in order to get enough points to buy a +3 Cha tome for my Sorc?

[Ungood]

Yah.. sure (Yes)

[Xenostrata]

I think you are vastly underestimating how many people will buy +3 tomes because other people have them, and their characters are really good, so if they get +3 Tome(s) it will make their character(s) so much better.

I think if we had access to the sales numbers, alot of people would be truly terrified at how many copies of some items are sold. Hell, you hear people all the time talking about using +2 supreme tomes on their newly made character once they hit level 7, and they are what, 2500 points or something? Tomes must make them a hell of alot of money, so it would be logical that the bean counters would want them to sell bigger (stronger, faster) tomes.

I've only heard of 3 people say they have bought +2 supreme tomes, and while I'm sure there are more I'm also sure that those people aren't in the majority.

Also, Sirgog - if you want to DISSUADE Turbine from this business model, mentioning Zynga (an incredibly successful company) was probably not a bright idea.

[nostrafucius]

no, it took about a year to get a +3 tome in every stat for one of my monks.

[sirgog]

Edit: Not a vote.

I think you are vastly underestimating how many people will buy +3 tomes because other people have them, and their characters are really good, so if they get +3 Tome(s) it will make their character(s) so much better.

I think if we had access to the sales numbers, alot of people would be truly terrified at how many copies of some items are sold. Hell, you hear people all the time talking about using +2 supreme tomes on their newly made character once they hit level 7, and they are what, 2500 points or something? Tomes must make them a hell of alot of money, so it would be logical that the bean counters would want them to sell bigger (stronger, faster) tomes.

This.

Having seen the success of store tomes in this game, LOTRO added lootable tomes a bit before it went to the freemium model. Supreme tomes are often in the bestseller list in the DDO store.

If I were Fernando, I'd do the following:

First - Announce '+3 tomes being added to random loot as of X date (say October 22) and to the DDO store 3 weeks later'
Then - add a 'Limited Time' opportunity to get them in the store 3 weeks before the announced introduction to random loot. October 1st through 7th, but 'extended' an extra 3-5 days.
Then - wait 6 months, then add +5 tomes to raid loot
Then - wait 6 more months, then start the whole process again with +4 tomes.

I think that approach would make just as much money if not more, but would do so without breaking explicit promises to the community.

[Auran82]

I've only heard of 3 people say they have bought +2 supreme tomes, and while I'm sure there are more I'm also sure that those people aren't in the majority.

Also, Sirgog - if you want to DISSUADE Turbine from this business model, mentioning Zynga (an incredibly successful company) was probably not a bright idea.

I hear people every now and then talk about it in general chat in the marketplace (yes I still have that turned on, advice as well, either to help people or to laugh at the cross channel conversations) or in pugs. I also know of several guildies who have bought them as well.

As I said, we obviously don't have access to the exact sales numbers, but I suspect many of us would be horrified if we did. I have been in more than one pug where someone in the group went through several res cakes because they were impatient.

[Xenostrata]

I hear people every now and then talk about it in general chat in the marketplace (yes I still have that turned on, advice as well, either to help people or to laugh at the cross channel conversations) or in pugs. I also know of several guildies who have bought them as well.

As I said, we obviously don't have access to the exact sales numbers, but I suspect many of us would be horrified if we did. I have been in more than one pug where someone in the group went through several res cakes because they were impatient.

Let them, it means Turbine keeps making stuff for us more stingy people.

So long as Turbine doesn't start ACTUALLY making things p2win (exclusive story buffs/items, selling high-power raid items) I'll be fine with them charging exorbitant prices for unnecessary bonuses.

[MrTops]

Vote no +3 tomes in the store but,

Does anyone really think Turbine doesn't have stats on who has pulled what +3 and +4 tomes?

And do you really think they don't check those ID's against who is buying stuff from the store?

I suspect that they judge revenue lost vs. revenue gained from every store addition.

As much as I hate the grind and don't have time for the grind (but can't pull myself away from the grind), I accept my characters won't be as uber as those folk who have more time for the grind.

But I think the battle is already lost.

[Xenostrata]

Does anyone really think Turbine doesn't have stats on who has pulled what +3 and +4 tomes?

And do you really think they don't check those ID's against who is buying stuff from the store?

I suspect that they judge revenue lost vs. revenue gained from every store addition.

I think a marketing agent for Turbine is scanning all of these threads for customer data and just went "Wow, good idea!"

[Chilldude]

I would answer your poll, and you'll probably be able to infer what my answer would be, but I think the whole idea of it is quite silly.

The store already sells +2 tomes. People are balking at +3? Really? 1 more than a plus 2. 1 more that by itself does nothing. You'd think they were talking about adding +10 tomes to the store or something. I'm truly amazed this time.

[mobrien316]

Good heavens...


There is an infinite amount of XP and loot in DDO. It doesn't matter how much gear or how many tomes someone else buys, because YOU will still get to run your quests and collect your loot and amass your XP so you can level.

If you make it to level 20 and you group with someone who sucks, don't group with them again. It doesn't matter if they suck because they are selfish, or because they are a moron, or because they bought so much gear and so many tomes they were able to make it to level 20 without really learning how to play the game well. It just doesn't matter.

If you don't think you should be able to buy certain things in the DDO store, then don't buy them. It really will not affect you one tiny bit if someone else buys them.

[QuantumFX]

Go ahead and put me in the “No” category.

But, like others, I would be willing to reconsider my position if +3 tomes were much more common in the game. (ex. General chest drops in Epic quests.) I’m already OK with +1/+2 tomes in the store because you can already loot them from the auction house.

[graf]

No