Protect Protection

[BFD20001]

There is no good reason that Protection is being removed – leave Protection alone! Introduce War Priest as a new Cleric tree, as Favoured Souls will eventually get Divine Avenger.

While War Priest is a poor attempt at an offensive melee tree, Protection is at least a poor defensive melee tree – why throw away that development time & effort? Protect Protection!

Even ignoring the defensive versus offensive bias of the respective trees, the two trees offer distinct enough differences to warrant both. Protection’s Universal Spell Power is generally more useful than War Priest’s Fire & Light Spell Power. Many of Protection’s abilities work on others while War Priest’s are mostly self only; unlike Protection, War Priest also requires that you actively attack to make the most of your abilities.

Forgoing the in-game distinctions, meta-gaming also requires consideration. Many of us have exhausted our ability to respect our characters and without further means to do so should not be unduly punished.

Please prioritize Protection protection, thank you!

[CoasterHops]

Yep, sign me up!

[Dagolar]

I'd much rather see some [rebalancing to War Priest's core abilities and some better War Priest-oriented abilities over the Protection domain-leeched ones (eg, Sanctuary, Divine Intervention)] and [an overhaul of Protection domain], rather than seeing them rush out paths and then toss them aside.

Protection came out trashy, but it has potential.

But, either way, I'll just be glad to have a functional 2nd path for FvS toons [and Sorcs, dual-elements aside] :P

[Charononus]

There is no good reason that Protection is being removed – leave Protection alone! Introduce War Priest as a new Cleric tree, as Favoured Souls will eventually get Divine Avenger.

You think fvs are getting divine avenger? I have this bridge for sale.

While War Priest is a poor attempt at an offensive melee tree, Protection is at least a poor defensive melee tree – why throw away that development time & effort? Protect Protection!

Big problem with war priest is the mostly horrible faith weapons, it's a decent but not op tree.

Even ignoring the defensive versus offensive bias of the respective trees, the two trees offer distinct enough differences to warrant both. Protection’s Universal Spell Power is generally more useful than War Priest’s Fire & Light Spell Power. Many of Protection’s abilities work on others while War Priest’s are mostly self only; unlike Protection, War Priest also requires that you actively attack to make the most of your abilities.

First if you aren't going to be actively attacking why are you playing a warpriest? Protections abilities that worked on others were too small of bonuses to even matter. And wp should get universal as well, it's just sad that the devs don't get that.

Forgoing the in-game distinctions, meta-gaming also requires consideration. Many of us have exhausted our ability to respect our characters and without further means to do so should not be unduly punished.

Well we were told protection was going away about 2 months ago so I'd say that's on you.

Please prioritize Protection protection, thank you!

No kill it with fire to remove gimps. =P Well joking on the gimps part not the killing it with fire part.

[EllisDee37]

Protection needs to be taken out back and shot.

The three cleric tree concepts are perfect: healbot, caster, and melee. The execution could use some fine tuning, sure, but the core concept of the trees is ideal. The concept of the protection tree isn't even needed; if you want to focus on defense, be a healbot.

[BFD20001]

You think fvs are getting divine avenger? I have this bridge for sale.

If you believe Divine Avenger is not coming then you are as deluded about that as you are about your bridge. Also consider that there has been far more discussion about DA than there ever was about WP.

Big problem with war priest is the mostly horrible faith weapons, it's a decent but not op tree.

Yes, the dictated Favoured Weapons are a big con, but there are other systemic problems that are potentially greater. Nevertheless, WP and Prot are roughly equal and usability despite both needing some work.

First if you aren't going to be actively attacking why are you playing a warpriest? Protections abilities that worked on others were too small of bonuses to even matter. And wp should get universal as well, it's just sad that the devs don't get that.

As I said, there are some pretty big differences between Protection & War Priest. Having to attack was one of those that I mentioned. Logically if you are not wanting to actively attack, then Protection is better. Given that many of War Priest’s bonuses/abilities are ‘too small’ to matter personally, Protection having some not matter to others is hardly a problem – given that at least Protection had many abilities to go around to others. Yes, WP should get some Universal spell power too…

Well we were told protection was going away about 2 months ago so I'd say that's on you.

And if that had been the case then perhaps you would have a point; unfortunately in typical turbine fashion it was not. A private in game conversation can hardly be considered dissemination. Not to mention that ignores there was no mention of it on live whatsoever.

The three cleric tree concepts are perfect: healbot, caster, and melee. The execution could use some fine tuning, sure, but the core concept of the trees is ideal. The concept of the protection tree isn't even needed; if you want to focus on defense, be a healbot.

Do not make the mistake of confusing Trees with roles. There is certainly scope for both defensive and offensive melee Clerics and since we currently have treeS that cater to both it is a colossal waste of time and effort to simply discard one that is ALREADY complete.

[EllisDee37]

Do not make the mistake of confusing Trees with roles. There is certainly scope for both defensive and offensive melee Clerics and since we currently have treeS that cater to both it is a colossal waste of time and effort to simply discard one that is ALREADY complete.

The protection tree was always a colossal waste of time and effort, which the playerbase began explaining to the devs approximately one hour into the first day of the first alpha preview of the enhancement pass.

[Charononus]

If you believe Divine Avenger is not coming then you are as deluded about that as you are about your bridge. Also consider that there has been far more discussion about DA than there ever was about WP.

And DA was scrapped in favor of these new tree's.

Yes, the dictated Favoured Weapons are a big con, but there are other systemic problems that are potentially greater. Nevertheless, WP and Prot are roughly equal and usability despite both needing some work.

no I can see someone going into wp only well a newb would choose protection.

As I said, there are some pretty big differences between Protection & War Priest. Having to attack was one of those that I mentioned. Logically if you are not wanting to actively attack, then Protection is better. Given that many of War Priest’s bonuses/abilities are ‘too small’ to matter personally, Protection having some not matter to others is hardly a problem – given that at least Protection had many abilities to go around to others. Yes, WP should get some Universal spell power too…

If you don't want to attack you need to be in radiant servant, sorry there is no reason not to be attacking if you're choosing wp.

And if that had been the case then perhaps you would have a point; unfortunately in typical turbine fashion it was not. A private in game conversation can hardly be considered dissemination. Not to mention that ignores there was no mention of it on live whatsoever.

Here you go posted 7/09/13

Closed Beta will be launching at the end of this week (Lammania will close shortly to support that).

If you pre-ordered Shadowfell Conspiracy and registered your key in early to mid June, you can expect an email invitation soon. Invitations will continue for later rounds, with priority for VIPs.

Thank you for all the feedback during this enhancements preview! We will spend the Beta period focused on fixing bugs and improving the enhancement trees in general, but have two major changes already underway.

Favored Soul and Cleric: We will be replacing the "Protection" tree with a melee-focused "Warpriest" tree, likely in the first patch after expansion launch.

Sorcerer: Sorcerer will get a new, additional enhancements tree later in the year (likely U20).

I'll save the details for Vargouille or one of the other designers to dig into.

Do not make the mistake of confusing Trees with roles. There is certainly scope for both defensive and offensive melee Clerics and since we currently have treeS that cater to both it is a colossal waste of time and effort to simply discard one that is ALREADY complete.

Tree's make you able to fulfill roles better, protection fulfilled nothing.

[SirValentine]

If you believe Divine Avenger is not coming then you are as deluded about that as you are about your bridge. Also consider that there has been far more discussion about DA than there ever was about WP.

The only discussion of Divine Avenger I ever saw was in terms of the old enhancement system, back when they claimed they were going to finish all the PrEs for that system. I've never heard a dev ever mention Divine Avenger as being on the table or planned or discussed or dreamt about since they threw away the old enhancement system.

If you have, please point me to it. If you've only seen the old stuff I saw, I really don't think it's relevant to the totally different enhancement system we have now. We no longer even have PrEs, just "trees", so a Divine Avenger PrE doesn't even make sense in the context of what we have now.

[SirValentine]

Protection needs to be taken out back and shot.

Shot is a bit extreme. Rehabilitated would be nice. FvS don't have the nice set of options Clr does.

[BFD20001]

Here you go posted 7/09/13

Thank you for a link to a closed beta post. Not surprisingly many of us did not have access to it; nor do many of us spend much time on the forums. Of course, it failed to make the release notes or any public announcement.

And DA was scrapped in favor of these new tree's.

You have another hidden link to share? Because nothing publically has been said.

no I can see someone going into wp only well a newb would choose protection.

Spend more time playing and less time posting. Hint: look up Spell Power – that by itself is a fairly major difference between Prot & WP.

If you don't want to attack you need to be in radiant servant, sorry there is no reason not to be attacking if you're choosing wp.

Do you only post? Have you played a Cleric (Healer/Battle/Otherwise)? No? Well that would explain your lack of understanding. Presumably you mean attack generically, since both Protection and Divine Disciple are superior to RS for casting.

You are confusing prioritizing other actions over attacking with not wanting to attack. They are decidedly not the same. Do you comprehend the difference between Tank & DPS? If so that is the relationship of Protection and War Priest.

Tree's make you able to fulfill roles better, protection fulfilled nothing.

Protection is better at protecting and fulfills the defensive melee role allowing one to buff, heal and still attack occasionally. But then ignorance is bliss.

Please, NO! Can't you simply ADD a Warpriest Tree, without removing Protection?

[Charononus]

ftfy

[BFD20001]

ftfy

You are correct – that is where I believe you are living.