U42 Preview 1: Loot

[kain741]

Okay, finally got back to this comment:

So, correct me if I'm wrong, but you're comparing the Sharn Tank specifically to the Knight of the Shadows PLUS the Adherent of the Mists set, right? The goal is for Guardian of the Gates to specifically provide an alternative to Knight of the Shadows, NOT for it to be better than 8 whole item slots worth of set bonuses.

If you're making this comparison by actually equipping the items on Lamannia, be aware that quite a lot of them are not currently working, and so your numbers will vary quite a bit from how they will appear on Preview 2.

I'm comparing what is optimal for each if I slot their tank sets. I have to then tie in con and ins initim since they are not in the new set which limits space and options to pull in adherent with the new set. Even if I could pull it in it wouldn't address the MRR issues. I'm sure as I look longer I can find small tweaks to bring it closer but the item slots and omissions that were in prior set make getting everything to fit more difficult without doing substantial doubling or tripling up redundancies.

In either case I would expect my tank with a minor artifact and new tier of sharn gear to not only break even but eclipse a toon in all RL gear...irrespective of where the bonuses come from

[GramercyRiff]

I think this design is cool too (and could see myself using it), but can I add the request to make sure Ghostly doesn't get lost entirely from the pack? Its basically mandatory for all reaper content and would be good to have some generic items with it.

I was going to post something similar to this and I totally agree. Ghostly is mandatory in today's DDO.

[Lynnabel]

Can you explain how those handwraps work? Do they actually go into the glove slot or do you simply lose an entire item slot? Seems like a big amount of potential stats/effects to lose.

While you have the Platinum Knuckles in your main hand slot, you can not have Gloves equipped. If you equip Gloves, your Handwraps will become unequipped. If they are currently not strong enough to mitigate that loss of an item slot, we will swing upwards to get them closer to parity I want them to be niche and interesting mechanically, not useless, and there's still time to make sure of it.

[Arkat]

Arkat,
If you want more mrr,
Slot a nystuls
Increases mrr cap by 40, takes 5 slots
We get 3 more slots in this expansion for total of 11
You can slot a prowess and a nystuls
And have mrr of 90, if you can get it that high

I'd be shocked, no...SHOCKED, if any Melee DPS Monks have slotted the full 5 piece Nystul's Mystical Defense filigree set in any of their weapons or handwraps.

[dg_evil]

I'd be shocked, no...SHOCKED, if any Melee DPS Monks have slotted the full 5 piece Nystul's Mystical Defense filigree set in any of their weapons or handwraps.

Prepare to be SHOCKED: happens quite frequently in our Reaper KT runs for the monks that want to stay alive.

[J1NG]

Prepare to be SHOCKED: happens quite frequently in our Reaper KT runs for the monks that want to stay alive.

Agree. I have one myself on one of my "Light Melee". It's much more common than most realise.

Remember: A soulstone is 0 dps.

J1NG

[Akoriv]

I'd be shocked, no...SHOCKED, if any Melee DPS Monks have slotted the full 5 piece Nystul's Mystical Defense filigree set in any of their weapons or handwraps.

If it was the 4 piece bonus, I would use a 4 piece Nystul's all the time.

[Nickodeamous]

hi all,

As a Monk, I decided to stop playing after the barrage of nerfs over the last year. To be honest, I feel as though I busted my hump getting my toon where it was, only to have the rug pulled out several times in a row. I quit playing in December 2018 and haven't logged in since. I have been kinda waiting to see what happens with Sharn, but I must admit, I don't feel like getting excited over this due to the fact they may reveal some spicy raid wraps only to nerf them in a few months. If they are not better than RL, then what is the point? My fear is that they are OP and people start complaining and then they get nerfed. I also saw that there is a set of wraps that you have to forgo a glove slot? what gives with that! Hidden nerf if you ask me. Sorry to be a pessimist, and I do see some cool stuff for my fellow players (non-monk) that looks sweet, but tell me why I should believe that any new monk gear will not get nerfed once we invest time and energy. I really used to love this game, but I feel kinda cheated as I know other monks feel.

I want to be excited again! please change my mind!!

Nico

[psykopeta]

like this, yay? please? thx!

i don't care about the rest, i'll always buy ultimate or collectionist tiers, whatever is higher lol

[Varr]

Prepare to be SHOCKED: happens quite frequently in our Reaper KT runs for the monks that want to stay alive.

This is a perfect vision of why a second alternative should be considered. It's crazy the only way for these poor poor monks to stay alive wearing outfits is to have to load a 5 Filigree slot to move MMR up past a terrible 50 max. With 8 cap now, and soon to be 11, these outfit wearers have been forced to date to forgo all the sweet sets for 5 helpings of Nystuls. Yuck, this proves a second path is needed desperately. The original suggestion is a useful way.........but open to any that moves MMR up, all ideas are worth considering!

How many bumps and other players need to chime in to get a firm no, nothing to see here, move along from our handy Devs? So much interaction about other suggested tweaks to gear, got 4-5 players from 2006 commenting on this suggest MMR add to the outfit, just say no so I can stop posting.

[Thar]

Okay, finally got back to this comment:

So, correct me if I'm wrong, but you're comparing the Sharn Tank specifically to the Knight of the Shadows PLUS the Adherent of the Mists set, right? The goal is for Guardian of the Gates to specifically provide an alternative to Knight of the Shadows, NOT for it to be better than 8 whole item slots worth of set bonuses.

If you're making this comparison by actually equipping the items on Lamannia, be aware that quite a lot of them are not currently working, and so your numbers will vary quite a bit from how they will appear on Preview 2.

So you are saying the new tank gear + the other slots available for RL gear would make a viable tank better than today (without duplicating gear wasting a slot)?

[voxson5]

hi all,

As a Monk, I decided to stop playing after the barrage of nerfs over the last year. To be honest, I feel as though I busted my hump getting my toon where it was, only to have the rug pulled out several times in a row. I quit playing in December 2018 and haven't logged in since. I have been kinda waiting to see what happens with Sharn, but I must admit, I don't feel like getting excited over this due to the fact they may reveal some spicy raid wraps only to nerf them in a few months. If they are not better than RL, then what is the point? My fear is that they are OP and people start complaining and then they get nerfed. I also saw that there is a set of wraps that you have to forgo a glove slot? what gives with that! Hidden nerf if you ask me. Sorry to be a pessimist, and I do see some cool stuff for my fellow players (non-monk) that looks sweet, but tell me why I should believe that any new monk gear will not get nerfed once we invest time and energy. I really used to love this game, but I feel kinda cheated as I know other monks feel.

I want to be excited again! please change my mind!!

Nico

It feels like the platnum wraps will either flop spectacularly or be so useful/powerful that they would soon be nerfed into pointlessness.

Lyn seems very tight liped about the effects, and given it is already an equipment nerf to even wear them...

*edit - corrected raid wraps to plat wraps

[Akoriv]

While you have the Platinum Knuckles in your main hand slot, you can not have Gloves equipped. If you equip Gloves, your Handwraps will become unequipped. If they are currently not strong enough to mitigate that loss of an item slot, we will swing upwards to get them closer to parity I want them to be niche and interesting mechanically, not useless, and there's still time to make sure of it.

The loss of an item slot is the loss of 4 attribute / effect slots.

What you have on there is joke to give up a gear slot.
The platinum transform is cute. It's something different, but it's not enough.

If you add a red socket, Seeker and 2 damage procs (or other interesting effects), it would be worth it to use the wraps instead of having gloves on.
That way, we don't lose 4 attribute / effect slots just to equip those wraps.

If we have to give up attribute / effect slots, there is absolutely NO way those wraps will ever be worth using.

[Lynnabel]

It feels like the raid wraps will either floop spectacularly or be so useful/powerful that they would soon be nerfed into pointlessness.

Lyn seems very tight liped about the effects, and given it is already an equipment nerf to even wear them...

You are conflating the Platinum Knuckles with the Raid Handwraps - Fetters of the Forgewraith. They are two separate items.

[LavidDynch]

While you have the Platinum Knuckles in your main hand slot, you can not have Gloves equipped. If you equip Gloves, your Handwraps will become unequipped. If they are currently not strong enough to mitigate that loss of an item slot, we will swing upwards to get them closer to parity I want them to be niche and interesting mechanically, not useless, and there's still time to make sure of it.

That 'mechanic' of swapping out gear totally sucks in DDO considering it lags out the whole group in your game.

[MacRighteous]

@ Lynnabel

Is the base damage on the Heroic Twisted Willow Longbow, as seen on Lamm, correct?

https://imgur.com/yDSaL9I

[Lynnabel]

@ Lynnabel

Is the base damage on the Heroic Twisted Willow Longbow, as seen on Lamm, correct?

https://imgur.com/yDSaL9I

No, good catch.

[MacRighteous]

No, good catch.

Ahh shucks - I was looking forward to powning all

BTW - My dyslexia keeps seeing your location as game/cbd/effect/effects-property-2.cbd
and I thought - well it all makes perfect sense now -lol

Please don't nerf the bow too hard - I'd settle for 2(d12)+

[Ladywolf]

Lynn, this feedback is for the ranged set after looking at my current gear:


1. to wear the hat and gloves from the new ranged set, I give up
-insightful deception 7,
-relentless fury,
-insightful dex 9,
quality int 4,
insightful prr 24,
( did not mention the loss of seeker since u will be adding that to the raid helm).

as well as I give up both the adherent set (by using the new glove) and silent avenger set (by using the new armor)...

I believe changes should be made to the set glove. To me it is lacking in the damage department, and even for defence I suggest it is weak since dodge and blur are available in the non set pieces, not to mention blur can be scroll-casted with some umd. I note that the melee set has the family recruit sigil necklace which has all of armor piercing, relentless fury, true seeing... a very useful piece. Perhaps blur and dodge can be replaced with relentless fury and armor piercing.

Finally, regarding The Cornerstone Champion Raid Belt
Minimum Level: 29
(QUALITY STR, DEX, WIS +5)
Reinforced Fists
Melee Alacrity +15%
Accuracy +34

I would suggest that this be both melee and ranged alacrity, and that accuracy can be changed to deception, as you already have accuracy on one of the non set items but no deception on any of the non set items

[Lynnabel]

BTW - My dyslexia keeps seeing your location as game/cbd/effect/effects-property-2.cbd

No, that's kind of where I spend most of my time nowadays. It's a DDO developer in-joke - it's only kind of funny to me (and even then it's not very funny! :P)