We need a tiered loot system

[Wizza]

One of the big problems with the tri-tiered loot system is simple extra coding time.

For example, would you like to receive three tiers of loot but no raid for update 23?
Or perhaps no Barb + Pally fixes?

It takes a lot more time to do the tri-tier.


Although a super rare augment sounds interesting, we know what happened there.
At least mythic items cannot be put into a bag?

This excuse of more extra coding time has lasted enough. I don't care at all if they need take 1 extra month to code the tiered loot. I can wait one more month if that means the content is going to survive for more than 2 weeks.

[Munkenmo]

One of the big problems with the tri-tiered loot system is simple extra coding time.

For example, would you like to receive three tiers of loot but no raid for update 23?
Or perhaps no Barb + Pally fixes?

It takes a lot more time to do the tri-tier.


Although a super rare augment sounds interesting, we know what happened there.
At least mythic items cannot be put into a bag?

Trying to compare the time spent making the same set of items 3 times and a quest/raid or enhancement tree overhaul is just silly. Shame on you for believing otherwise.

[Seljuck]

So much incoherence. If the difference between each item tier was marginal then why you, casual player, care at all? YOU DON'T. WE DO, because we are ELITIST, ENDGAMERS, WHATEVERYOUWANTTOCALLUSGAMERS. Every point of DPS missing counts for us. Every point of PRR counts. Every augment slot, every enhancement, every single thing counts for you.


Another thing I miss from Tiered loot: selling them. Trading is dead in this game at the moment. Nothing to trade for, nothing to search for. Give us back our saleable items.

Casual.. lol hahaha. I'm apparently not as 'pro' player as you are.. ( did u sense sarcasm here?) Before you pingeonholed someone for someone's beliefs read with understanding please, signature too. Do you know casual player with toon at 17th life ? Cuz I don't.

Beside attacking someone for someone's beliefs is discrimination.. just saying.

[Flavilandile]

This excuse of more extra coding time has lasted enough. I don't care at all if they need take 1 extra month to code the tiered loot. I can wait one more month if that means the content is going to survive for more than 2 weeks.

Trying to compare the time spent making the same set of items 3 times and a quest/raid or enhancement tree overhaul is just silly. Shame on you for believing otherwise.

Consider that DDO is just one step up from Maintenance mode... and that Dev Time is at premium... So yes it all boil down to what gets done in a given time frame :
- Tri-Tiered items
- New Quests ( or epiced old )
- New Loot
- Enhancement Trees
- New Race
- New Class
- Revamp of old Adventure Area

You can only choose 3 from the list.... make your choice.

[Zoda]

Consider that DDO is just one step up from Maintenance mode... and that Dev Time is at premium... So yes it all boil down to what gets done in a given time frame :
- Tri-Tiered items
- New Quests ( or epiced old )
- New Loot
- Enhancement Trees
- New Race
- New Class
- Revamp of old Adventure Area

You can only choose 3 from the list.... make your choice.

Okay, my 3 choices are: new quests, new quests and finally new quests. Old quests can stay heroic, I played them enough during trs.

[Monkey_Archer]

Okay, my 3 choices are: new quests, new quests and finally new quests. Old quests can stay heroic, I played them enough during trs.

Exactly. If giving up loot and new enhancements can get us new content every update, please do.

[Wizza]

Casual.. lol hahaha. I'm apparently not as 'pro' player as you are.. ( did u sense sarcasm here?) Before you pingeonholed someone for someone's beliefs read with understanding please, signature too. Do you know casual player with toon at 17th life ? Cuz I don't.

Beside attacking someone for someone's beliefs is discrimination.. just saying.

You as in a general casual player you. I guess I didn't make myself clear enough. Not referring to you, since I've no idea who you are.

You still didn't answer my question.

Exactly. If giving up loot and new enhancements can get us new content every update, please do.

If that new content survives only for 2 weeks (cough E3BC cough), then what's the point? GH Survived for 2-4 months because of its loot. We were running ToR like crazy to get our Helms and Globes and to actually sell them.

[slarden]

One of the big problems with the tri-tiered loot system is simple extra coding time.

For example, would you like to receive three tiers of loot but no raid for update 23?
Or perhaps no Barb + Pally fixes?

It takes a lot more time to do the tri-tier.


Although a super rare augment sounds interesting, we know what happened there.
At least mythic items cannot be put into a bag?

This This This This. People likely underestimate the amount of extra dev time required for the tiered loot.

I think having mythic version of all items may end up being the best design yet. Nobody can say they everything after one week so there is no reason to run the content. I love the FOT system, but at the same time it makes acquiring EE items to easy and they always complain it's too easy to get things.

As it stands mythic items seem experimental because there are only 4. Imagine if all epic items had a mythic counterpart. It would be hard for anyone to get all the items they wanted - especially if bound. However, realistically Turbine should consider making mythics unbound because it would likely increase AS sales. I personally prefer bound items, but I realize some people are motivated to obtain AS.

[Xyfiel]

One of the big problems with the tri-tiered loot system is simple extra coding time.

For example, would you like to receive three tiers of loot but no raid for update 23?
Or perhaps no Barb + Pally fixes?

It takes a lot more time to do the tri-tier.


Although a super rare augment sounds interesting, we know what happened there.
At least mythic items cannot be put into a bag?

Feather told us last year on ML when tiered loot was discussed it took him an extra 10 mins per item to make 2 more tiers. Myth busted.

[slarden]

So much incoherence. If the difference between each item tier was marginal then why you, casual player, care at all? YOU DON'T. WE DO, because we are ELITIST, ENDGAMERS, WHATEVERYOUWANTTOCALLUSGAMERS. Every point of DPS missing counts for us. Every point of PRR counts. Every augment slot, every enhancement, every single thing counts for you.

Another thing I miss from Tiered loot: selling them. Trading is dead in this game at the moment. Nothing to trade for, nothing to search for. Give us back our saleable items.

Your point about items to sell is valid, although I suspect Turbine's data will show Haunted Halls did quite well with that and there was no tiered loot system.

Posts like this are also very insightful for Turbine to understand the type of people asking for tiered loot and how they treat other players with different viewpoints. The bottom line is that no player likes to be shut out from a chance to get the best items which is why an upgrade system is needed if tiered loot is re-introduced.

I hope it's not, I think the new mythic items are a much better concept and I wish all the items were given mythic counterparts (or at least more). I generally prefer bound loot so people actually earn it, but perhaps non-raid mythic items should be unbound because this would obviously be a good revenue-generator for Turbine. They need more than 4 items however to profit from this.

[slarden]

Feather told us last year on ML when tiered loot was discussed it took him an extra 10 mins per item to make 2 more tiers. Myth busted.

Ironically the same people that abused and ultimately drove away Feather are now demanding his system back. He left and the system went with him.

I don't care if they bring it back, but I think it would be a mistake to do without an upgrade system of some kind. However, I think the mythic items might work better because the big complaints about 3bc was everyone got all the loot they needed in a few days and had no reason to run the content.

Tiered loot doesn't make that problem go away but super-rare drops do.

[Seljuck]

You still didn't answer my question.

I care, because I'm running this quests, I'm looting this items and I'm part of game community where I can share my opinion with others.

Opinion: I feel disappointed when I find an item that is different from the weaker version only by slots, which are now everywhere. I have to spend more time to finish EE and as reward I'll get slot. This system does not appeal to me. That's it.

[Wizza]

Your point about items to sell is valid, although I suspect Turbine's data will show Haunted Halls did quite well with that and there was no tiered loot system.

Posts like this are also very insightful for Turbine to understand the type of people asking for tiered loot and how they treat other players with different viewpoints. The bottom line is that no player likes to be shut out from a chance to get the best items which is why an upgrade system is needed if tiered loot is re-introduced.

I hope it's not, I think the new mythic items are a much better concept and I wish all the items were given mythic counterparts (or at least more). I generally prefer bound loot so people actually earn it, but perhaps non-raid mythic items should be unbound because this would obviously be a good revenue-generator for Turbine. They need more than 4 items however to profit from this.

Well, if they don't want to give us the tiered loot, at least let us sell the one that we are getting. There is no point for me, or anyone, to run these quests after we get our items. These quests are ML28 IIRC, so not even for XP probably.

Ironically the same people that abused and ultimately drove away Feather are now demanding his system back. He left and the system went with him.

I don't care if they bring it back, but I think it would be a mistake to do without an upgrade system of some kind. However, I think the mythic items might work better because the big complaints about 3bc was everyone got all the loot they needed in a few days and had no reason to run the content.

Tiered loot doesn't make that problem go away but super-rare drops do.

We drove Feather away for many reasons. And it was NOT his idea the tiered loot. That suggestion was given away a long time ago by tons of people in the community, he just put the pieces togheter.

I care, because I'm running this quests, I'm looting this items and I'm part of game community where I can share my opinion with others.

Opinion: I feel disappointed when I find an item that is different from the weaker version only by slots, which are now everywhere. I have to spend more time to finish EE and as reward I'll get slot. This system does not appeal to me. That's it.

So, you are saying that since the EE is SLIGHTLY better than the EH, you don't like the system? Makes zero sense. What would you like the difference to be?

With no tiered loot, you are just pleasing casuals and endgamers are unhappy. Content lasts for 1 week. Game dies faster. With tiered loot, everyone get the loot they want, we will have a reason to run content, everyone happy since the difference is so small that casuals shouldn't care about it. You are not supposed to get the best loot in Normal. Risk vs reward. It's really not that hard to understand.

[Braegan]

I want the seal/scroll/shard system back. Never gonna happen, I know...

I do miss that system too. It was tedious sometimes but had more longevity than any system since.

[Gljosh]

I am ok with tiered loot that has the ability to be upgraded (FoT). That being said, people complain about Power Creep so how does "slightly stronger" item placed on the "best builds/player" not meet the concept of a power creep? The "best" players complain the game is too easy but constantly want a better item/weapon to make the game easier?

[Purkilius]

One of the big problems with the tri-tiered loot system is simple extra coding time.

For example, would you like to receive three tiers of loot but no raid for update 23?
Or perhaps no Barb + Pally fixes?

It takes a lot more time to do the tri-tier.


Although a super rare augment sounds interesting, we know what happened there.
At least mythic items cannot be put into a bag?

I share your frustration about the debacle but the carrot needs to be bigger and more special for EE incentive!

[Purkilius]

I do miss that system too. It was tedious sometimes but had more longevity than any system since.

Yep had smile on my face for a week after completing an ESoS

but that is probably more coding than tiered loot...

[Purkilius]

I am ok with tiered loot that has the ability to be upgraded (FoT). That being said, people complain about Power Creep so how does "slightly stronger" item placed on the "best builds/player" not meet the concept of a power creep? The "best" players complain the game is too easy but constantly want a better item/weapon to make the game easier?

no just want incentive and an endgame

[legendkilleroll]

They could have done, chance for the epic items to drop so anyone can look for the gear they want but then people who want to grind and get the best gear have to collect the scroll/seal/shard to make the epic item a mythic

I wasnt really around back in those days, i was still new to the game and wasnt til the first xpac when id run alot of epics so i didnt go through what alot of people did with grinding to craft the epic gear they wanted, with that said, even now every time i craft an epic item it feels like an accomplishment

[Erofen]

I vote for the epic quest items from eNecro to be Bound to Account on Equip. This way the loot can still be sold AND passed between alts. I miss the tiered loot system instead of the current farm EN till your eyes bleed system. I do hope that this content lasts longer than 2 weeks. I for one still run Titan and Abbot because it is just a fun raid, and I hope that Epic Abbot is as well.