Epic Destinies

[Vordax]

So, will MyDDO be updated to show the current destiny progression of a character? If not MyDDO as a screening tool will probably become even less useful. (not that that is a bad thing)

[axan]

Any chance of getting the names of the 10 epic destinies now, just so we can speculate and wonder more :-)

[Sheep_Stealer]

A newly unlocked Twist of Fate permits you to set a level 0 or 1 epic enhancement as retained even if you switch to a different Epic Destiny. For example, you could retain Improved Power Attack from the Legendary Dreadnought even if you switched over to Shadowdancer.

Automatically granted abilities cannot be placed into a Twist of Fate slot, and you gain no additional benefit if a Twist of Fate is populated with an enhancement from your currently active Destiny.

Sample Twist of Fate costs:

Unlock First Twist of Fate: 1 Fate Point
Upgrade First Twist to Max Tier 2: 2 Fate Points
Upgrade First Twist to Max Tier 3: 3 Fate Points

Unlock Second Twist of Fate: 2 Fate Points
Upgrade Second Twist to Max Tier 2: 3 Fate Points
Upgrade Second Twist to Max Tier 3: 4 Fate Points

Unlock Third Twist of Fate: 3 Fate Points
Upgrade Third Twist to Max Tier 2: 4 Fate Points
Upgrade Third Twist to Max Tier 3: 5 Fate Points

Are Fate Points resettable like the current enhancements. If I decide I didn't want to upgrade that Twist of Fate can I reset my points and reselect?

Similarly, can you reset Epic Enhancement points spent?

Thanks.

[stainer]

I would go so far as to wager that, at launch, we'll see deliberate TR strategies designed to open some epic lines sooner ... particularly given the number of xp boosts now available.

And anyone going super completionist can now take a break at the cap periodically and both farm gear *and* work on epic levels.


... where's Star?

Do you think this will be a "going forward thing", or will we be able to use Epic Destinies for past lives we currently hold?

[Saravis]

So, will MyDDO be updated to show the current destiny progression of a character? If not MyDDO as a screening tool will probably become even less useful. (not that that is a bad thing)

I may be alone when I say this, but

Thank God

[LeLoric]

And you think an entire party is going to have that level of cooperation so that ONE melee can achieve that? You think there is going to be only ONE melee that wants that boost? How are you going to decide who's going to be the lucky person that gets to get those kills?

A more reasonable and believable idea would simply be that all the melee turn it on and whoever gets the kill, good for them. Of course, with that you'll create an even larger rift between melee and arcanes. You thought the haste boost was an annoying debate, wait till you see the insta-killing vs. boost killing debate.

In something like an epic lob yes I would expect that. High end raiding requires high levels of coordination and anyone who cant follow something as simple as let x get the kill will not raid with me anymore.

Your competing theory is only relevant if everyone is a dreadnaught I dont think that will be the case.

[rdasca]

After reading this and the round table, I need a cigarette and a nap ... I cannot wait!

This is going to be so cool.

[SableShadow]

Edit: redacted 'cause MF redacted.

[maddmatt70]

In something like an epic lob yes I would expect that. High end raiding requires high levels of coordination and anyone who cant follow something as simple as let x get the kill will not raid with me anymore.

Your competing theory is only relevant if everyone is a dreadnaught I dont think that will be the case.

I hear what you are saying but that whole things sounds like Axer wrote it.. Everybody buff the one uber melee lol..

[DeafeningWhisper]

I hear what you are saying but that whole things sounds like Axer wrote it.. Everybody buff the one uber melee lol..

Except for arties, those are worthless since they no longer double the damage die of his greataxe and wouldn't even make it into his raid

[Vesuvium]

It does, but it was actually one of the level titles for druid in first edition; and then in Unearthed Arcana they 'upped the level cap' by having a bunch of Heriophant levels (excuse the spelling).

It was the title for a level 17 Monk in AD&D, if my memory serves.

[rayworks]

Sounds cool. But what about all the XP my capped Sorc has? She's gotta be at least 23rd lvl from the XP she's gotten. I should be able to count that.

[SableShadow]

Sounds cool. But what about all the XP my capped Sorc has? She's gotta be at least 23rd lvl from the XP she's gotten. I should be able to count that.

Llolth appreciates the sacrifice of xp that has fueled her return to the multiverse.

So, yeah ... ultimate evil descending upon all the innocent people (and things that are also people) of the multiverse? Your fault.

[JOTMON]

Interesting.....


If I recall correctly in FR....
Epic Destinies = Psionic Bonus
Grandmaster of Flowers was the master monk.. super attack speed FOM, ....

[MadFloyd]

Sounds cool. But what about all the XP my capped Sorc has? She's gotta be at least 23rd lvl from the XP she's gotten. I should be able to count that.

No, no, no, your sorcerer quite modestly refused all XP once she got to 20.

[danotmano1998]

No, no, no, your sorcerer quite modestly refused all XP once she got to 20.

AHA! I knew those capped characters were piking...

Sounds like I need to rush some more guys to 20 and park them. Wouldn't want to squander any epic xp. That would be almost criminal!

[MrkGrismer]

It was the title for a level 17 Monk in AD&D, if my memory serves.

Ugh, I think my memory might be shot.

In any case I wasn't serious about monks being shafted, my monk wants to be able to punch people into next week also.

[SableShadow]

AHA! I knew those capped characters were piking...

Sounds like I need to rush some more guys to 20 and park them. Wouldn't want to squander any epic xp. That would be almost criminal!

Indeed. It would be ... lolthsome.

[Cetus]

No, no, no, your sorcerer quite modestly refused all XP once she got to 20.

Is there anyway you can give us an idea of how epic leveling is in practice. Like, amount of xp needed, or whether or not xp will qualify from non-epic quests (I beleive I recall the anwer was yes to that).

[Saravis]

In something like an epic lob yes I would expect that. High end raiding requires high levels of coordination and anyone who cant follow something as simple as let x get the kill will not raid with me anymore.

Your competing theory is only relevant if everyone is a dreadnaught I dont think that will be the case.

But THAT coordination comes from the motivation that if you don't do what you are supposed to do when you are supposed to do it, the raid will fail.

What sort of motivation will you provide to a team so they coordinate so that only ONE melee gets the kill? My DPS is better than your DPS? In full guild raids I could see that sort of coordination, but in PUGs or even semi-PUGs, you're going to have a much harder time proving that if "X" melee doesn't get the buff and not "Y" melee, then the raid will fail. Furthermore, only the leader would be able to make that command and if the leader has no know-how as to who would be best or just doesn't care, then I just can't see it happening.

And as far as my competing theory, it can be relevant with at least 2 Dreadnaughts, though more reasonably with at least 3.

And again its necessary to mention the issue you'll have between arcanes vs. melee with high DPS and instakilling spells. What are you going to tell them to do, "Sit around and twiddle your thumbs?" or better yet "CC, do nothing, but CC." Oh joy, we're back to the no more than 2 arcanes in a group mentality.

Sorry, not trying to be a negative nancy here, I'm just concerned is all and better to be concerned with things still in development.