Epic Destinies

[furbyoats]

... where's Star?

He TR'ed

[Nick_RC]

Would be nice if xp pens didnt degrade in epics...we on a timer anyway...

[Algulcz]

I love this ability.

Epic lob arti and assasin trash wave. Tell the group you are popping this and and to move on to next mob before kill for you to finish. Theres about 15-20 spawns and by the time you got them all you should have 8-10 of those kills at least. +200-250% dmg boost is huge. If you dont think so go into rushmores and get a quad dmg and think man i just wish I had half of this. Not to mention -50% dmg taken throughout that fight where some pretty nasty arrows and spells are flying about.

I don't think they want you to hit 100 everytime you use the ability but Im sure many will try in elite Weapons shipment or maybe the servants of the overlords epic end fight.

quad dmg from rushmore lasts for more then 10s. It's that 10s that worries me most. That is just too short imo.
and-50% dmg? +50%dodge is not -50%dmg unless ac revamp is part of xpack.

[Qzipoun]

Some very interesting stuff so far. I think I like the system, now obviously we need to see the abilities themselves

Question:

Is the BaB and Saves progression in epic levels independent of class?

Is class even relevant at epic levels or is it a standard 'epic level'? This makes a big difference for multiclasses/capstones (and caster spell slots)

[MrkGrismer]

You have to gain the XP for those LEVELS again, but the progress you made in your DESTINIES remains the same and is cumulative.

For example, if i cap a character and pick a destiny path...and stay with it til 25, I will have it maxed out. Now, if I TR and cap, I will still have to get xp to get to level 25, but I will have that same destiny maxed from before, and I can choose a new destiny to work on.

Also, if i remember correctly, you only have to be level 20 to TR.

Yes, that is how I understand it working as well.

[scampb]

If I climb the tree, can I then use a rope to tie myself down so I don't fall out when I fall asleep and get killed by more uber warriors on the ground?

[SableShadow]

He TR'ed

...

Oh, right, the "you made me TR and you can **** well come with me" effect.

[Xaxx]

Pardon the crappy formatting:

At each epic level you gain the following bonuses:

LeveL       HP        Saves       BAB          Feats      Ability Increases
21         +10          -          +1          Feat	
22         +10         +1          -		
23         +10          -          +1		
24         +10         +1          -           Feat       Ability Increase
25         +10          -          +1

Characters that are level 21 or higher may select Epic or Heroic feats as their level 21 and 24 feat selections.

Characters that are level 21 or higher may select Epic or Heroic feats as their level 21 and 24 feat selections.

so bluebars get no increase to mana pool at 21-25... ummm...

[Zzevel]

This should have a HUGE impact on team play--which I think will make the game so much more interesting.

Imagine the possible options one might have to optimize a TEAM of characters for a particular task.

Or too complicated for the casual/low end player, causing a bigger rift than there was before.

[karl_k0ch]

Pardon the crappy formatting:

At each epic level you gain the following bonuses:

LeveL       HP        Saves       BAB          Feats      Ability Increases
21         +10          -          +1          Feat	
22         +10         +1          -		
23         +10          -          +1		
24         +10         +1          -           Feat       Ability Increase
25         +10          -          +1

Characters that are level 21 or higher may select Epic or Heroic feats as their level 21 and 24 feat selections.

Characters that are level 21 or higher may select Epic or Heroic feats as their level 21 and 24 feat selections.

I can finally fit in Khopesh and the Rogue PL and Hamstring on my pure Halfling Rogue. I like this.

Another question: When using a Lesser Heart of Wood, will I be able to change Feat/Ability Choices made in Epic Levels?

[psteen1]

Will you be able to change your Epic Destiny path by changing your outfit to a different dress or will you just have to place your XP spheres in a different location on the grid?

bwahahaha! I thought epic destinies sounded familiar. ff x-2 ftw.

[MadFloyd]

[code][/code] tags are your friends.

Grattitude.

[Captain_Wizbang]

Any "Timbit" as to the related content we'll see along with this?

Come on devs, just a little teaser.

[MadFloyd]

I assume not, but don't see a specific answer.

Will you get action points for levels 21-25? Or just the level effects?

Just the level effects. Action Points are earned from Epic Destiny progress though.

[KingOfCheese]

Do I have to wait for the mod to drop to start taking epic levels and goodies? Or can i have them right now?

Because I'd like them right now.

Please.

Please!

Come on!

I'll give you a large devil scale.

Ok, ok, 5 large devils scales!

[Diyon]

so bluebars get no increase to mana pool at 21-25... ummm...

Particular epic destinies might. In any case I'm wanting to see some more balance come to the classes in this game. I think the blue bars will live. In any case, barbs aren't getting their 12 hp each of those lvls and full BAB types aren't getting their +1 BAB per lvl. And I think that's fine. I want to see some really awesome stuff and abilities, but I don't want to see utterly drastic change in static numbers.

On the other hand, those d4, d6, and d8 blue bars are going to get a boost to HP that they don't normally get, as well as higher bab (for some) than what is usual if they are some melee hybrid type.

[MrkGrismer]

Just the level effects. Action Points are earned from Epic Destiny progress though.

So if you level 21-25 and level your first epic destiny to 5 you get 20 AP, then if you change to another epic destiny and level it to 5 you get another 20 AP, and so on all the way to 10 epic destinies for a total of 200 AP?

[Zirun]

So if you level 21-25 and level your first epic destiny to 5 you get 20 AP, then if you change to another epic destiny and level it to 5 you get another 20 AP, and so on all the way to 10 epic destinies for a total of 200 AP?

AP are tied to each Destiny. The only thing from your non-active Destinies that applies is Twists of Fate, which let you choose a few abilities from non-active trees that you can use.



Will any Epic stuff be usable in Heroic quests? Could I, for instance, max out my Epic Destinies and then use that to solo Elite Shroud and post a screenshot on the forums to make myself feel superior to everybody else?

[BigButter]

yeah, I could be wrong but there doesn't seem like there's much point in take levels 21-25 unless you're done with all your TRs.

Eladrin or Madfloyd, am I wrong? How much XP is this going to cost?

The black and white image of the Shadowdancer from the Roundtable page looked like it had something resembling an XP progress bar of ~538,000/2,000,000.

Am I the only one who was hovering the mouse over those abilities hoping for a tooltip to pop up? :-D

[Eladrin]

so bluebars get no increase to mana pool at 21-25... ummm...

Some of the Destinies will have spell point increases, either as automatically granted abilities or available in the trees. Some won't.

You can sort of think of the Destinies as if they're Epic Prestige Classes, and convert the five "Epic" levels you take into "Legendary Dreadnought" or "Exalted Angel".