Must be using a hack

[Kromize]

They are specifically explaining to you that they are currently having a tantrum.

This is where you're wrong.

While many, if not most cries of 'hax' are indeed false accusations. There are also many out there that are plausible.

In a game like DDO though, I don't think there are any hacks right now (there used to be, may still be). But many other games have 'em in abundance. Just google mpgh...

Unfortunately, people with your state of mind view all accusations the same, and hackers tend to run free when the accusation is true, and the accuser is the one that get's punished.

[Kromize]

Why should it be his obligation to teach people? Even more, people who display such a childish behaviour as to accuse someone of using hax just for being better than them?

Not exactly what I was trying to say. He had enough motivation to come on here make make a post about it whining about being called a cheater. But he couldn't try talking to the people who called him a cheater? They wouldn't have called him a cheater if they knew he was just good, which they could have learned through talking.

Then again, if he did talk to them, my bad. But he never said anything about actually talking, he just said they called him a cheater when he carried them through the quest. But the way he talks about them makes me think he was just as childish as them. And even coming on here to post about it, calling them names, and saying how angry he was about being called a cheater. Seems to me both sides of the fray could do with some diplomacy in their lives...

[Algreg]

Well, I think it was amusing enough to deserve being shared here.

[voxson5]

Let me get this straight. So you do well, and let other people die in quests, and carry them through. And instead of try and help them out or teach them, show them what to do, you let them call you a cheater. And then you get mad about it, and post it on the forums?

Maybe they wouldn't call you a cheater if you were willing to help them out. Instead it seems like you just want to solo, and make excuses not to group by not being a good team player (and thus getting called a cheater).

Please tell me I'm seeing it wrong...

Seeing as the toon i was running in Rainbow was a dark monk, apart from stunning/killing there wasn't a whole lot I could do to negate others from taking loads of damage and not retreat fighting, only focusing on selected mobs, accepting raises while still in spike pits (over and over for one ignorant player).

They never asked for advice. Not all people want to be taken aside & told how to run their toon.

Although, in the proof run on my 1st life mutant, one player (a melee ranger) asked loads of questions, and got every bit of useful information I could spout out to him over the 50 minutes of the quest. I was really happy to offer ideas and solutions & he seemed really thankful for the help.

Also in the proof run, a wiz dropped group after 2 deaths and a few insults.

One of these two was a new player & one was a multi-TR. Guess which was which.

And yes, I got upset because I got accused of cheating twice, on 2 differnt toons. 1 moderately twinked mutant (pally/monk w/selfheals & ac) and my far less than optimal WF Emerald 2.0 variant main (who is not really ac geared, ~62 @ lv 16)

I have worked very hard to get my guild to the point of providing reasonable buffs, grinding out GS as a single player, and learning quests and class mechanics through maaaaaany alts over the last few years.

All i wanted to achieve on this thread was to ask if anyone else had experienced the same accusation, and I get bagged for not taking little Jonny-running lv 18 quests and nurturing him to create a better character? Get real!

I guess it all still points back to the start of a player in DDO.. do they learn to be baby sat by a over-eager divine player or hireling, having that enforced by other, more veteran players with similar expectations. Or do they learn to actually play and make the most out of our active combat system.

[Arnez]

For those criticizing that they should have "talked & taught" other newbish players how to play- Have you ever done that?!?!?
Being on these forums- you've had to have seen the multiple arguments of "Don't tell me how to play, I'll play my toon the way I want" threads.

Calls of hacks (even in jest) are dangerous in an MMO. The last MMO I ever payed for was City of Heroes, I was a Tank. Newbish types didn't understand that I *should* be able to hold agro of a supervillian and survive (of course they didn't understand that my DPS was far below theirs). Many calls of hacks later and boom- Update 3 (AKA the great Tank Nerf).

[hecate355]

No one can fix the world, full of ignorant, envying, less capable and other 'lowlife.'

Not everyone is ready to change. An optimist would say that among that crowd, there are many who could improve. Pessimists on other hand would state that, no matter how hard you try, such folks will always be among us.

So lets look at this from other angle for a change. Qualities a person holds in himself/herself are still mostly their own personal matter, only they themselves can alter it.

Quite often, those who are considered poor suffering souls in need for redemption, have gotten there with their own conscious and fully aware choices.

Charity is nice, but so is taking responsibility on your actions.

[Kromize]

For those criticizing that they should have "talked & taught" other newbish players how to play- Have you ever done that?!?!?

Yes, I have. There are many people that just don't know or don't understand. On the other hand, there are some that aren't willing, or don't care to know or understand.

Being on these forums- you've had to have seen the multiple arguments of "Don't tell me how to play, I'll play my toon the way I want" threads.

Sure I've seen them. But those usually talk about the people that attempt to force people to play a certain way, as opposed to giving pointers and subtle hints.


Teaching is not for everybody. You can clearly see this in the failings of the USA Public School System.

[mobrien316]

If someone says, "Wow! How did you kill all those mobs or bosses without taking any serious damage?" that would be interpreted as an invitation to provide some advice on how to build or gear a character.



If someone says, "You didn't die? You're a jerk! You must be cheating!" that does not lend itself to a friendly discussion or sharing of ideas.

[Callavan]

Anyone else had to experience this?

Yes, but only in first person shooters. Seems a popular sport these days that any time you start getting better than the average player you get accused of hacking and then booted from the server. It's a major reason why I don't play those much online these days.

Haven't been accused of it in DDO. I was assuming it's because it's a cooperative endeavor instead of pvp, but now that I'm thinking about it maybe it's just because I haven't gotten better than the average player yet.

[arminius]

Has there ever even been hacking that can affect this game? There have been many exploits, but actual hacking? How could there be when so much of the game is on the servers and not on the local client?

There was that early thing where people were duping Dwarven Throwers, but that was a bug exploit and not a hack. In the dark days of the Plat Farmers/Sellers there was some indication that items were being duped but I don't think it was ever definitively proven, it was more a matter of, Gee isn't it a big coincidence that all these identical valuable items are lined up in a row on the auction house for the exact same price and buyout?

And I haven't even heard a rumor of such behavior in years, not since the email and tell enforcement actions that shut down the plat selling spam, and that was a loooong time ago. And on top of all that, even if they did exist hacks like that don't do a darn thing towards getting a character through Proof when everyone else dies. Those complainers may as well have said you did it with Voodoo or Witchcraft, for all the basis in reality a generic "hacking" claim holds.

[Hambo]

Just after f2p went live I was in WW part 3 with a pug on my latest rogue (new build). After taking care of the acid room with another player (died in the acid), I get back to find the rest of the party stoned.

After telling everyone not to recall unless I die I go to the Ogre room in stealth, collecting stones, killing all the kobolds and the Ogre on the way. I take some damage but have a stack of heal pots. I then go to the blue switch room to get the rest.

The people who died there told me to watch out for the two Shamen at the top of the ramp. I pull out my returning dagger and proceed to dodge the shamen attacks and take them out with the dagger from the ramp on the other side of the room. I found the party was amazed that I could dodge fireballs and spells. They asked if it was some special "Rogue Thing". I just laughed and said "You ever hear of sidestepping?".

We completed after I drew the Kobolds near the shrine one at a time around the corner and used SA to kill them and we hit the shrine.

It hadn't occurred to these new players that you don't have to stand there and be hit, nor do you have to run through the quest at a madman's pace and fight more mobs than you can handle at one time. Several thanked me after we finished for showing them that strategy can be part of the game

[herzkos]

Why should it be his obligation to teach people? Even more, people who display such a childish behaviour as to accuse someone of using hax just for being better than them?

He felt it was important enough to make a post disparaging said players and said it "farked" him off . . .
whatever farked means. If it's important enough to get you upset, it obviously matters and he could enhance
his game enjoyment by teaching/training others.

For those criticizing that they should have "talked & taught" other newbish players how to play- Have you ever done that?!?!?
Being on these forums- you've had to have seen the multiple arguments of "Don't tell me how to play, I'll play my toon the way I want" threads.

Calls of hacks (even in jest) are dangerous in an MMO. The last MMO I ever payed for was City of Heroes, I was a Tank. Newbish types didn't understand that I *should* be able to hold agro of a supervillian and survive (of course they didn't understand that my DPS was far below theirs). Many calls of hacks later and boom- Update 3 (AKA the great Tank Nerf).

yes i have. it takes a little tact and some communication skills.

player1: you haxxor, no way man you cheated.
op: "I didn't cheat or hack or anything else, do you want to know how I can do that?"

Comes off better than:
player 1: haxxor.
player 2: l2p noob

doing so turns it into a teaching/learning moment possibly instead of a you insult me so I'm gonna squelch
you and make a drama post on the forums moment.

[baii]

in a PvM game? Doubt it, In tavern maybe.
Now remind me a guildie with 100+ AC and pale lavender on him. Hax ...

[Elegorne]

If I may, I'd like to tell you all a little story, of sorts.....

Back in (ugh, can't see my avatar on this screen) about June or July of 2010, I saw that the game I had played, and so loved, as a kid was available F2P online, so I downloaded and installed with great anticipation. Everything was so new and foreign to me (had limited MMO experience) as far as character generation and all that (I had about forgotten all that I had "learned" in the '80's- good thing, huh?), but I rolled up a toon on some server, following the "paths" that were available; melee was always my gig before, and I leaned towards that still. Toon/Player sucked, roll another,switch servers,roll another, ad nauseum (having a blast on Korthos the whole time, btw). I finally managed to get a fighter to level 5 on Khyber, when I realized 2 things: 1) Khyber is not a very fun place for noobs, and 2) The "Stalwart" (or whatever they call the S & B path toon) pre-made path sucked ad infinitum. But it was enough to really pique my interest, so I weighed my options...and decided that, since I had not rolled any toons on Thelanis as of yet, I would start fresh there, and start really trying to learn this game.....So I roll a fighter from the pre-made "vanguard" path (no, I hadn't figured out that those builds were inherently gimp yet) on Thelanis and start my journey anew...

Things go better with this toon (dwarf + GAxe= win at that point), and I pull my 1st piece of gear with a guild slot. It was probably pure trash, but better than the trash I was using, so I think I might want to join a guild... in all honesty, I don't remember who recruited me, or how, but I found myself in a guild. A small guild (just got their airship, lvl 20, 8-10 peeps from what I could tell), but I was excited to be a part of "something" and have "people" I could talk to. My levelling started getting better from that point....

In what seems like a rather short period of time we reached ~lvl 25, but we were down to about 2 of us that logged more than once every week or 2. Me & the guild leader were pretty much it. BUT this dude was so helpful, so patient & so informative, that I really never even thought about bailing from the guild. Over the next ~20 guild levels (yes, just him & I), I capped that premade toon(left the premade path around lvl 13), rolled a drow rogue abomination, rolled a barb, finally rolled a caster (capped him, too). In that time, this man gave me more advice than I can remember, let me screw up things (knowing I had to learn that way sometimes), watched me fall in the spike pit in Rainbow 20+ times without laughing at me (out loud, at least), helped me grind and plan my Min II GAxe, helped me plan & gear (2 GS Daxe blanks in my mailbox!!!) my 1st TR. In short, he taught me how to play this game (now if I could just put this info into practice- meh, my inherent gimpitude is another post altogether), and he did, has done, and is doing it, slowly, patiently & constructively.

We are now lvl 51, with an active base of 5 players, my TR is now lvl 13 (16Brd/2Ftr/2Rog) and I am having the time of my (online) life. We about have a "shared" inventory- If he needs xxx, and I have it, he gets it;I don't even think twice about it. The converse of that is about the same; If I need it, and he has it, I get it. In fact, I think I'm holding all the LDS we have between us on one toon. I run elite stuff at level now (something I would never have even thought about b4), mostly due to slow, patient teaching of tactics, equipment, clickies, buffs, etc.. I still amaze myself at how far I can push the "envelope", as long as I don't let the envelope scare me. There is too much to learn to have it all shoved down your throat at once- time, patience & perserverance pay off in this game.

All that being said, back on topic- Yep, you guessed it, the man I speak of above is the OP.

He is a patient, giving kind of guy; He does not get irritated with people very easily (believe me, I am proof). I have personally seen him do what he has done with me with countless newbies who have come into our guild, only to leave for "greener" pastures, and with random puggles. It takes a lot to get him "farked off"- look at his posting record; do you see any rants/whine posts?

So, in conclusion, I see that a post read in a vacuum can mislead the reader due to lack of background knowledge of the poster and general context, so...Remember: not everyone here is a Troll by default.

That is all

/white knight off