Deathward Scrolls

[Silv]

So, as a general complaint that should probably be resolved, I have to say that not being able to buy scrolls of death ward is getting highly annoying.

There are some quests that death ward is a vital spell for completing (especially on elite and with the Bravery system, everyone seems to want to do elite. And the only way to get a DW buff is a 5-min clickie from the Tangleroot line, or to get a healer class.

Now, I don't know about the rest of the community, but I know there are some of us who do not NEED a healer to complete instances, but they do need death ward. Not being able to stock up on scrolls and belly up to the challenge, but instead having to wait in LFM's for a healer is absolutely murdering my love of this game.

Requesting the support of the community here, and begging any and all devs who care to listen to allow us to buy death ward scrolls.

[AMDarkwolf]

agree, also wouldn't mind fom scrolls too :P

Not that they would be something i'd use in each quest, and i would NOT mind the cost being very high, but would love the option.

[Psiandron]

Well, I don't use the spell myself. The Silver Flame pendant from the Necro series is much better as it can't be taken from you (stupid beholders) and my casters always have deathblock robes for those quests where they're needed.

[AMDarkwolf]

its not for beholders that i'd want it.

For beholders, the silver flame trinkets are enough, I have 6 of them now (LOL)


The issue is the 'strength' draining mobs(or similar)

Deathward stops all stat damage and other similar attacks.

[badbob117]

Did you just miss the week of lag called Mabar or something? We had the ability to stock up on dirt cheap 10 minute deathward potions. no Umd Required!

Your complaint is a few days late i think... They will never sell these scrolls again in vendors. Same goes for dd scrolls, Fom or firewall. It is just not gonna happen. We need some exclusivity for certain spells. It keeps everything in check!

We cant have casters running around with every single divine spell on scroll and vise versa. it would make certain classes obsolete and work against the social aspect of the game. Get some goggles. farm some pots. Save your cookies, Use a hire or ask for help...

[Xenostrata]

Did you just miss the week of lag called Mabar or something? We had the ability to stock up on dirt cheap 10 minute deathward potions. no Umd Required!

Your complaint is a few days late i think... They will never sell these scrolls again in vendors. Same goes for dd scrolls, Fom or firewall. It is just not gonna happen. We need some exclusivity for certain spells. It keeps everything in check!

We cant have casters running around with every single divine spell on scroll and vise versa. it would make certain classes obsolete and work against the social aspect of the game. Get some goggles. farm some pots. Save your cookies, Use a hire or ask for help...

Might I ask what would be so game breaking about being able to scroll-cast firewall?

[Vormaerin]

You wouldn't have to ask if you'd played back when you could buy those scrolls. Every rogue and bard, plus half or more of everyone else, was casting firewalls, d-doors, and most everything else at the drop of a hat. It was pretty silly.

The excessive abundance of scrolls and wands in this game is one of the reasons that UMD is substantially more powerful than one would expect from other D&D versions.

Granted, the game's power level has increased since those scrolls were for sale, so the difference between a wizard's firewall and a rogue's would be noticeable today. But the general idea here is that UMD doesn't really need to be more powerful than it already is.

[Silv]

I don't think I should have to stock up on a holiday event potion pile to be able to cast death ward. Use magic device is a skill, I spend skill points on it, it allows me to do things. All within the rules.

Besides the fact that having the potions is just a way of pushing an event instead of selling scrolls in game, I also want to point out that I don't think any of the problems you listed, such as ruining the social aspects of the game or making UMD builds to powerful, are at all relevant, in any way, shape or form. I guarantee, if a rogue wants to spend thousands of plat of firewall scrolls and level that way, he's gonna be far slower than a rogue who puts some points in a DPS stat and grabs a +5 Weapon of Some Sort of Awesome and puts it to good use.

Giving us scrolls isn't going to mean we don't accept healers into groups, it's simply going to mean we don't have to spend 45 minutes on an LFM waiting to get one, or using a hireling.

[Xioden]

You wouldn't have to ask if you'd played back when you could buy those scrolls. Every rogue and bard, plus half or more of everyone else, was casting firewalls, d-doors, and most everything else at the drop of a hat. It was pretty silly.

The excessive abundance of scrolls and wands in this game is one of the reasons that UMD is substantially more powerful than one would expect from other D&D versions.

Granted, the game's power level has increased since those scrolls were for sale, so the difference between a wizard's firewall and a rogue's would be noticeable today. But the general idea here is that UMD doesn't really need to be more powerful than it already is.

It's really not so much that UMD is overpowered, but rather that everyone is running around with a libraries', apothecaries', blacksmith's and/or tailor's shop worth of stuff in their back pocket.

Those kobolds lurking about in the Stormreach sewers? Yea, they aren't really evil, they're really kobold scribes trying to escape from the secret underground scroll factory that spans for miles in each direction under Stormreach. They make inferior scrolls though, that's why when you have a 95% chance of casting a scroll you'll still manage only get 60 out of every 100 to actually cast!

That or House C managed to convert one of those wizard toasters into a wizard copy machine and is holding out on is..

[badbob117]

Might I ask what would be so game breaking about being able to scroll-cast firewall?

Not much anymore. but in the old days.. These were the bomb!

[Drekisen]

I have mentioned this a few times, in case you missed it, if you farm the collectible bag drops from the monsters in the first Necro Tomb Series and take them to the collector they will sometimes give both FoM and DW scrolls.....it's random tho so you are not gonna get them everytime.

DW is extremely easy to get, just farm the Splinterskull chain, 3-4 pairs of Visors is more than enough for most quests, if you don't have access to casting DW on yourself from spell these are a must anyways.....buying the pack if your premium is worth it just for those goggles.

FoM is a bit more of a problem, AFAIK, there is only one hireling that has FoM in their command bar and it's a low to mid level cleric.

DW at higher levels is easy almost every FvS and/or CLR has it on their command bar.

[xveganrox]

I have mentioned this a few times, in case you missed it, if you farm the collectible bag drops from the monsters in the first Necro Tomb Series and take them to the collector they will sometimes give both FoM and DW scrolls.....it's random tho so you are not gonna get them everytime.

DW is extremely easy to get, just farm the Splinterskull chain, 3-4 pairs of Visors is more than enough for most quests, if you don't have access to casting DW on yourself from spell these are a must anyways.....buying the pack if your premium is worth it just for those goggles.

FoM is a bit more of a problem, AFAIK, there is only one hireling that has FoM in their command bar and it's a low to mid level cleric.

DW at higher levels is easy almost every FvS and/or CLR has it on their command bar.

Hey, that sounds awesome, I'd love to stock up on some DW and FoM scrolls. Could you be a little more specific though? Which turn-ins do you need to get those scrolls? I checked DDOWiki, but it just says you can get random level 1 and 3 scrolls for turn ins, and DW and FoM are level 4 =x

[sirgog]

Might I ask what would be so game breaking about being able to scroll-cast firewall?

It was pretty broken back in the old days, when mob HP was a joke (400 being pretty typical for Elite mobs) and multiple Firewalls on the same physical location all stacked.

[Xenostrata]

It was pretty broken back in the old days, when mob HP was a joke (400 being pretty typical for Elite mobs) and multiple Firewalls on the same physical location all stacked.

So, this is how I see it.

1) No scrolls to temporarily fix the issue

2) Boosted HP and fixed WoF stacking to permanently fix the issue.

Once the issue was permanently fixed, why didn't they return the scrolls?

[Dirac]

DW and FoM scrolls were never available to buy even when you could buy FW and cloudkill. At that time, those scrolls were ridiculously overpowered: FW stacked and cloudkill didn't cause aggro. Even now, as a buff, the DW and FoM are inferior to GH. I say sell them.

[badkhan]

My biggest problem with the games at the moment (along with broken hirelings AI) is the fact that there are so few healers. I never played a healer myself, so not sure how ressource intensive it really is, but i don't like people's attitude toward healers.
So not sure why, but we find ourselves always waiting for healers to start any quest, even low-mid level one that don't require any. As a result, i almost never group before gianthold (as the majority of players i guess) because i hate waiting for a healer and i don't get why people are so scared to do anything without one.

BUT, this deathward thing is a huge issue when you want to solo or even group for a quest when you know dw will be required but no one can cast it.

IF it's some "game breaking" to include dw scrolls, AT LEAST give (a lot) more hirelings the ability to cast it.

[Rawel_San]

I don't think I should have to stock up on a holiday event potion pile to be able to cast death ward. Use magic device is a skill, I spend skill points on it, it allows me to do things. All within the rules.

Besides the fact that having the potions is just a way of pushing an event instead of selling scrolls in game, I also want to point out that I don't think any of the problems you listed, such as ruining the social aspects of the game or making UMD builds to powerful, are at all relevant, in any way, shape or form. I guarantee, if a rogue wants to spend thousands of plat of firewall scrolls and level that way, he's gonna be far slower than a rogue who puts some points in a DPS stat and grabs a +5 Weapon of Some Sort of Awesome and puts it to good use.

Giving us scrolls isn't going to mean we don't accept healers into groups, it's simply going to mean we don't have to spend 45 minutes on an LFM waiting to get one, or using a hireling.

If you can't get by with Silverflame pendants and tangleroot clickies you're doing something wrong. As has been
said no need to make umd even more incredibly powerful then it already is. Sure dw scrolls would be convenient
as would be dd scrolls, fom scrolls, pwk scrolls and a host of others, but you can get by without them just fine.
Particularly with artificers in game now more scrolls being sold at vendors would probably not be a good idea.

[badkhan]

If you can't get by with Silverflame pendants and tangleroot clickies you're doing something wrong. As has been
said no need to make umd even more incredibly powerful then it already is. Sure dw scrolls would be convenient
as would be dd scrolls, fom scrolls, pwk scrolls and a host of others, but you can get by without them just fine.
Particularly with artificers in game now more scrolls being sold at vendors would probably not be a good idea.

Not everyone owns these packs.

EDIT : The way i see it is the less responsabilities on the cleric/FVS, the better. IF all UMD classes were able to more or less replace a dedicated healer on most runs it would be better for everyone.

[Vormaerin]

Not everyone owns these packs.

EDIT : The way i see it is the less responsabilities on the cleric/FVS, the better. IF all UMD classes were able to more or less replace a dedicated healer on most runs it would be better for everyone.

Just what are you running that you can't live without deathward if you don't have the necro packs?

Besides, turbine isn't responsible for making it possible for every character to be 100% self sufficient without buying any of the content. If you don't have Visors or Silver Flame pendants or whatever else you can only get from premium content, then.... play in a party with characters who can provide those buffs.

Self sufficiency isn't a right. Its something you make an effort to achieve. Or live with the results of not having done so.

[goodspeed]

Have deathward scrolls be cleric/favored soul only, (maybe pally im not sure if they get it) No umd, problem solved and it's one more thing a healer doesn't have to waste mana on.

Wanna talk a real overpowered scroll, lets have a gander at heal. A huge burst of hp in scroll form for 40 umd which has been shown is easily reachable. Ya that's not a easy click at all. That's standard. Theoretically a few guys with umd could be a mega healer while melee burned something down.

I understand that umd is overpowered as ive just explained. But what isn't explained is why can't a class that is made to cast that specific spell be able to obtain it so it's one less spell slotted.