Ki gen, how are they addressing this issue?

[Junts]

I don't see a reason why devs would make cool monk moves for them not to be used isn't that why they make you certain things for pre's all these cool shintao moves i won't get to use if they don't lower the ki cost on them is just wasted development time.

Used less isn't used never. Les uses rewards high DC builds who can make each Count over people with 50% sucess rates who just spam them at every cooldown.

The developers want you tp think about when and who to use your abilities on not tp use them reflexively just because you can.

Many pf these moves are unique and powerful.

[Lifespawn]

Used less isn't used never. Les uses rewards high DC builds who can make each Count over people with 50% sucess rates who just spam them at every cooldown.

The developers want you tp think about when and who to use your abilities on not tp use them elexivy because you can.

Many pf these moves are unique and powerful.

yes but to spec into an 85% success rate stunning fist monk without being a tactics race you have to seriously gimp either having decent dps or not being able to hit well enough.


OR be fully epic geared which is a problem for some people including myself to get the gear they need to not be a drain on the party.

[Tyrande]

Yes and no i don't know many casters that worry about spell points as they are an easy to get consumable.

Casters have many different spells that require no hit and have no save monks have to have the to hit which is already a problem and then the ki to power a special hit and then for the mob to fail said hit or move no other class has to jump through as many hoops to do it's job.

I have one capped monk. I have 2 capped wizards, one capped cleric, and two capped bards. Yes, they have SP pots gathered from chests over the past 5/6 years. No, they do not buy any SP potions form the DDO store. They also try to NOT TO USE ANY POTIONS in any quests. I wouldn't say they are an easy to get no cost consumable. They usually cost around 50,000 to 100,000 plat in the Auction House each pot. It is around 795 Turbine Points for a stack of 100 best potions in the store when they are on sale for 50% off. That is around $8 US dollars. I wouldn't claim that as easy to get consumable and no cost.

Monk strikes, no problem; just ask the other party members to go kill other monsters while you're trying to hit an archer to gather Ki. If you're having problem hitting, perhaps you should invest more in strength or dexterity (if finesse) or go into Sun Stance. It should not be a problem while soloing.

Perhaps TR'ing with fighter past lives will help with those tactical hits.

Casters have to TR with wizard past lives to get good spell penetrations and good DCs with the increase saves and spell resistance in U9 on mass holds. Perhaps the Devs are trying to balance things around and found monks to be too powerful on LIVE servers.

Full Ki bar all the time is almost equal to full SP bar all the time. Plus, Ki regenerates to your equilibrium, SP does not. With echoes of power in U9, it only goes up to 12.

[Lifespawn]

I have one capped monk. I have 2 capped wizards, one capped cleric, and two capped bards. Yes, they have SP pots gathered from chests over the past 5/6 years. No, they do not buy any SP potions form the DDO store. They also try to NOT TO USE ANY POTIONS in any quests. I wouldn't say they are an easy to get no cost consumable. They usually cost around 50,000 to 100,000 plat in the Auction House each pot. It is around 795 Turbine Points for a stack of 100 best potions in the store when they are on sale for 50% off. That is around $8 US dollars. I wouldn't claim that as easy to get consumable and no cost.

Monk strikes, no problem; just ask the other party members to go kill other monsters while you're trying to hit an archer to gather Ki. If you're having problem hitting, perhaps you should invest more in strength or dexterity (if finesse) or go into Sun Stance. It should not be a problem while soloing.

yep 46 str i should invest in some str or sun stance

What server are you on i'd love to come sell pots there on sarlona they go for 10k apiece not to mention the fact that you can get a bauble a ss ring an archivist necklace and a twisted talisman to give back a substantial amount of FREE sp plus you have the Option to use pots or get dv's from a cleric and now in U9 you have echoes of power yep very hard to get sp .

Edit to add on from your edit roll a drow wizard check pump int or cha with the rest in con for hp check take spell penn feats check take spell focus feats check get non epic gear to help more on dc's check viola great dc's.


But but dc's went up for everyone yep they did give me a ki cost mass save dropper action and then we can talk crushing despair is -5 saves the mobs don't have a chance not to mention free sla's with hypno that also drop saves.

[Tyrande]

yep 46 str i should invest in some str or sun stance

What server are you on i'd love to come sell pots there on sarlona they go for 10k apiece not to mention the fact that you can get a bauble a ss ring an archivist necklace and a twisted talisman to give back a substantial amount of FREE sp plus you have the Option to use pots or get dv's from a cleric and now in U9 you have echoes of power yep very hard to get sp .

We're on the same server. My casters have all those items except the Twisted Talisman. I am not buying pots from anybody. Free ones from chests fine; buying, no.

SS ring = 3 clicks of 25SP. Archivist necklace = 2 clicks. They are sub-par compared to the bauble. Epic SS ring? Heh, I haven't seen the shard or the seal dropped in 100 runs of EDQ.

Clerics giving DVs? Heh, I haven't seen that happen enough outside of guild runs.
Usually the clerics on pugs said they need the turns to give out radiant bursts/positive aura.

[Tyrande]

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But but dc's went up for everyone yep they did give me a ki cost mass save dropper action and then we can talk crushing despair is -5 saves the mobs don't have a chance not to mention free sla's with hypno that also drop saves.

Hate playing your monk much? My monk only has half your monks' strength and he is hitting epic monsters without a problem.

Heck, my monk is not even geared with Icy Raiment, Epic Jidz'teza, no ToD rings, no HoX bracers, no healing amp items and he is just playing just fine.

You mentioned free SLAs with hynotism? Sorry, but I do not have an archmage right now, and no drows at the moment.

[Lifespawn]

We're on the same server. My casters have all those items except the Twisted Talisman. I am not buying pots from anybody. Free ones from chests fine; buying, no.

SS ring = 3 clicks of 25SP. Archivist necklace = 2 clicks. They are sub-par compared to the bauble. Epic SS ring? Heh, I haven't seen the shard or the seal dropped in 100 runs of EDQ.

Clerics giving DVs? Heh, I haven't seen that happen enough outside of guild runs.
Usually the clerics on pugs said they need the turns to give out radiant bursts/positive aura.

i know we're on the same server that was a what are you smokin kind of thing lol what pots are being sold for 50k?

the point is it's there and not something you have to wear all the time or even use it comes in pots for no gear and quick swaps for gear.

[Tyrande]

i know we're on the same server that was a what are you smokin kind of thing lol what pots are being sold for 50k?

the point is it's there and not something you have to wear all the time or even use it comes in pots for no gear and quick swaps for gear.

Log On, go to the AH, and look under potions.

My point still stands. SP pots are not FREE.

Those gear still needs to be acquired. Sometimes those are still not enough depends on the quest and the difficulty and if you're soloing or not.

[Lifespawn]

Hate playing your monk much? My monk only has half your monks' strength and he is hitting epic monsters without a problem.

Heck, my monk is not even geared with Icy Raiment, Epic Jidz'teza, no ToD rings, no HoX bracers, no healing amp items and he is just playing just fine.

You mentioned free SLAs with hynotism? Sorry, but I do not have an archmage right now, and no drows at the moment.

No i love playing all 5 of my monks 1 will not be affected atall 2 will be rerolled 1 got better 12 ftr 8 monk best sf dc's in the game.

The one thats getting screwed really is my pure 20 light monk with all those awesome abilities i won't have the ki for without oremis necklace which means i can't wear the shintao set.

Half my str meaning your a dex build i assume? there is no way


20 base
5 weapon
6 str bonus 23
4 gh
1 haste
2 boat buffs
???power attack


a 38 to hit before power attack is not giving you trouble in epic content

[Lifespawn]

Log On, go to the AH, and look under potions.

My point still stands. SP pots are not FREE.

Those gear still needs to be acquired. Sometimes those are still not enough depends on the quest and the difficulty and if you're soloing or not.

wow i never said they were free but i will now they are FREE from loot drops and end rewards


ask any power gamer if casters have an unlimited resource plat is a joke sp pots are easy to loot and to buy just because you don't use them doesn't mean tons of others don't drink them like they are going out of style.

[Junts]

No i love playing all 5 of my monks 1 will not be affected atall 2 will be rerolled 1 got better 12 ftr 8 monk best sf dc's in the game.

The one thats getting screwed really is my pure 20 light monk with all those awesome abilities i won't have the ki for without oremis necklace which means i can't wear the shintao set.

Half my str meaning your a dex build i assume? there is no way


20 base
5 weapon
6 str bonus 23
4 gh
1 haste
2 boat buffs
???power attack


a 38 to hit before power attack is not giving you trouble in epic content

Boat buff is 3, not 2 (kobold)
competence bonus is 2 (spetral gloves or song) or 4 (epic spectrals)
morale bonus can be up to 8, 4 higher than gh

That's another 11-13 hit you haven't accounted fpr. Also, someone with 24 str probably has weapon finesse and a dex of at least 30, so he's probably got another 3-4 hit there.

Hey look that's a base hit over 50, before assorted flanking/sneak attack bonuses (2 base flanking bonus, 5 sneak attack item, possibly 2 from faithful hound).

Hm I just got his to-hit up to 59 before power attack reduction.. 54 base hit is plenty to do well in epic with.

[Sirslapemsack]

I personally think stunned/held mobs should produce double Ki Gen. This would make up for it enough to fix the problem and isnt to much to ask.

[Chai]

Boat buff is 3, not 2 (kobold)
competence bonus is 2 (spetral gloves or song) or 4 (epic spectrals)
morale bonus can be up to 8, 4 higher than gh

That's another 11-13 hit you haven't accounted fpr. Also, someone with 24 str probably has weapon finesse and a dex of at least 30, so he's probably got another 3-4 hit there.

Hey look that's a base hit over 50, before assorted flanking/sneak attack bonuses (2 base flanking bonus, 5 sneak attack item, possibly 2 from faithful hound).

Hm I just got his to-hit up to 59 before power attack reduction.. 54 base hit is plenty to do well in epic with.

If boat buffs are needed to do well in this game theres a serious problem.

If we need epic gear to run epics, that puts the cart before the horse. We didnt used to need any of these. How are you boosting that stun DC to the new height that is needed while at the same time boosting to hit with those gear slots, and still holding that KI?

Obvious proxy nerf is obvious. The intent was clearly stated and delivered. Why does each new update make monks slightly harder to play well? I could roll up a full ****** mental stat maxed str barbarian and have no issues in the same content, heh. Kensai can have over 50 stunning blow DC with far less investment. Now they can have stunning fist be more viable than a pure monk as well.

[Tyrande]

No i love playing all 5 of my monks 1 will not be affected atall 2 will be rerolled 1 got better 12 ftr 8 monk best sf dc's in the game.

The one thats getting screwed really is my pure 20 light monk with all those awesome abilities i won't have the ki for without oremis necklace which means i can't wear the shintao set.

Half my str meaning your a dex build i assume? there is no way


20 base
5 weapon
6 str bonus 23
4 gh
1 haste
2 boat buffs
???power attack


a 38 to hit before power attack is not giving you trouble in epic content

My monk has the Oremi's necklace. Why is your 20 pure light monk insists on wearing the Shintao set?

Seriously, He has done EDQ, Epic Sentinels, Epic Carnivals.

[Lifespawn]

Boat buff is 3, not 2 (kobold)
competence bonus is 2 (spetral gloves or song) or 4 (epic spectrals)
morale bonus can be up to 8, 4 higher than gh

That's another 11-13 hit you haven't accounted fpr. Also, someone with 24 str probably has weapon finesse and a dex of at least 30, so he's probably got another 3-4 hit there.

Hey look that's a base hit over 50, before assorted flanking/sneak attack bonuses (2 base flanking bonus, 5 sneak attack item, possibly 2 from faithful hound).

Hm I just got his to-hit up to 59 before power attack reduction.. 54 base hit is plenty to do well in epic with.

20 base
16 str bonus
4 gh
1 rage
1 boat str mod
1 haste
2 dummy
5 weapon

thats a 50 without even trying while having aggro

-5 to 8 from power attack and, wow, that's pathetically bad to hit. Even 50 is quite poor, especially since helpless mobs will no longer be autohit.

You want ot talk about a nerf to monks? the largest danger ot monks here is that they can't ever use power attack anymore.

you need to make up your mind

my 50 self buffed was pathetic but his 38 is ok?

[Lifespawn]

My monk has the Oremi's necklace. Why is your 20 pure light monk insists on wearing the Shintao set?

Seriously, He has done EDQ, Epic Sentinels, Epic Carnivals.

shintao=+2 to hit and +2 damage why would my monk not want to wear it?

[Tyrande]

ask any power gamer if casters have an unlimited resource plat is a joke sp pots are easy to loot and to buy just because you don't use them doesn't mean tons of others don't drink them like they are going out of style.

Nope, not a power gamer. And no, my characters do not have unlimited resource plat.

Others buy them, drink them, fine. However, I do not think the Devs designed the quests with required drinking alcoholics in mind.

If boat buffs, pots are required to play this game, then something is seriously broken.

[Junts]

If boat buffs are needed to do well in this game theres a serious problem.

If we need epic gear to run epics, that puts the cart before the horse. We didnt used to need any of these. How are you boosting that stun DC to the new height that is needed while at the same time boosting to hit with those gear slots, and still holding that KI?

Obvious proxy nerf is obvious. The intent was clearly stated and delivered. Why does each new update make monks slightly harder to play well? I could roll up a full ****** mental stat maxed str barbarian and have no issues in the same content, heh. Kensai can have over 50 stunning blow DC with far less investment. Now they can have stunning fist be more viable than a pure monk as well.

51 base hit with no boat buff is equally fine for entry-level epic.

[Lifespawn]

Nope, not a power gamer. And no, my characters do not have unlimited resource plat.

Others buy them, drink them, fine. However, I do not think the Devs designed the quests with required drinking alcoholics in mind.

If boat buffs, pots are required to play this game, then something is seriously broken.

there we agree on something but the devs balance around what the best of the best can do not many monks out there are able to out dps a decently geared barb and if the barb is epic geared forget about it no monk can do that much dps.

All this does is lower monk dps more.

[Junts]

you need to make up your mind

my 50 self buffed was pathetic but his 38 is ok?

I just adjusted to your previous standard =)

Its not great, but it's certainly enough to begin doing epics with when you are fairly undergeared. After all, raven's sight, more strength, epic spectrals etc are all available to pus hit upwards by quite a bit from there.