This nerf to firewall - it is bad

[elujin]

most posts here are just silly more options == better i know its hard to lose your gaint easy button but hell nuking sounds more fun then just jumping over a wall over and over .

mebey il even roll up an arcane now .

[Angelus_dead]

This is a myth. On a high magic world your average trash mob would want to go straight to the casters no matter what.
Going around the firewall will get them exposed and killed just as well, time is a liability against a caster.

In a high magic world where casters kill things by kiting them through firewalls, your average trash mob would not want to kite around in a firewall. They might decide to run through once to get to someone on the other side, but they wouldn't do laps in and out.

If you run through a hurtful fire and your opponent hops through it to the other side, then you don't chase him again and again; you run away around a corner and wait for it to burn down.

[Rian]

I'm just confused about how you can get a reflex save for a WALL of fire....It's not like you can walk through a wall and be able to dodge the flames that you are walking straight through.

I can understand wanting to adjust WoF down and what-not, but I feel that piece of the change really doesn't make sense. It'd be like getting a reflex save during a monsoon to avoid all of the rain drops. No matter how agile you are, if you are completely engulfed in something you aren't dodging it.

Personally, I think it should be a fortitude save if anything to resist the initial blast of heat, if they're going to put a save on it, but walking into the wall of fire shouldn't have a save, however I can see why they did it, to prevent people from getting 1 fire wall to get off triple the number of ticks it should have by kiting it in and out. It's the monster's fault for playing while feebleminded

Everything changes.

I remember a day when we had 4 feats......nothing more. Then one day it changed and everyone cried how they ruined the game.



Everything changes........

I remember that, they were our enchancements though and everyone hated warforged more than they do today and we didn't even have t hat much to choose from...

[Angelus_dead]

I'm just confused about how you can get a reflex save for a WALL of fire....It's not like you can walk through a wall and be able to dodge the flames that you are walking straight through.

1. Maybe it should be a Jump check instead!
2. If the flame isn't solid but instead pulses every 2 seconds, then Reflex is natural.

[jjflanigan]

1. Maybe it should be a Jump check instead!
2. If the flame isn't solid but instead pulses every 2 seconds, then Reflex is natural.

1) I think mobs leaping of walls of fire would be the mostest awesomest addition to the game EVER!

2) I hadn't actually thought about it like that -- very good point, thank you.

[fuzzy1guy]

This new broken thing is bad. I don't like this new thing.
The old thing was better. Why did they break the old thing.
The old thing was not broken and now its a new broken thing.

They could have just fixed the old broken things instead.
There are alot of them. This wasn't one of them.

[katz]

This new broken thing is bad. I don't like this new thing.
The old thing was better. Why did they break the old thing.
The old thing was not broken and now its a new broken thing.

They could have just fixed the old broken things instead.
There are alot of them. This wasn't one of them.

oh, was that an attempt at shortening and paraphrasing the This New Thing - It Is Bad thread?

[Lithic]

Kind of sucks i have a whole 2nd account for leveling up my main account full of casters from lvl 7,9,11,13,15,and 17

lmao and now some will still be useful for the content they are designed to run but other i might have to delete and replace with a fvs or clr...


what school is firewall again evocation correct?

I've got a 2nd account with a lvl 8, 12, and 16 caster as well for that purpose. I only use them for undead heavy quests, so its a decent nerf both to damage and cost. The higher level ones can at least use fireball more, but the lvl 8 is going to be screwed considering all the phasing undead at those levels.

At least I can drop extend now. Maybe get mental toughness to offset the extra cost.

[HettarDDO]

Hate me for saying so but...FW needed to be nerfed. Anyone who doesn't think so must not know how to use it.

I recently TRed and wanted to get through this life as fast as possible since all I wanted is the past life passive feat. Anyways I was lucky enough to group with this wiz/sorc(not sure which) and after the first time I would be sooo happy when he logged on. He was a killing/exp machine. All my fighter was to him was a way to increase his exp per hour by a small amount(plus you need 2 people sometimes). He did it mostly with firewalls.

I thought firewalls we're alittle overpowered but he showed me just how much they are. Alot of characters can solo a quest but when you can solo one 5-10 times faster with FW then you have to start questioning how balanced it is.

I just hope they don't go to far with all the changes.

[muffinlad]

My gut reaction is that the damage change is fine, but the duration change is needless once you change the damage.

Do one, or the other, not both.

It may be that they cost of other spells is lowered enough that most folks won't have to use WoF too often in a normal quest. Looks like Incend. Cloud may be useful for ToD...

muffinflames

[Valanius]

Wow.. it's gonna suck to be my build soon.

But you gotta love the mentality as opposed to just amping things up, they decided to nerf things down.

So, will they have sales on Lesser hearts of wood soon?

screw popcorn I'm going out for a cheeseburger.

Glad to see someone mentioned DDO store items. Im of the belief that since Update 5 they have been ingeniously introducing class changes to beef up their store sales. Dont see it changing soon.

[parvo]

This is a myth. On a high magic world your average trash mob would want to go straight to the casters no matter what.
Going around the firewall will get them exposed and killed just as well, time is a liability against a caster.
Same goes for the noob players in the harbor, must learn to kill shamans first at the risk of being hurt in the process.
Furthermore, with accesible resurrection the monsters would be fearless and fight to death just like they do now.

This doesn't condone that the AI needs some work and that in-code fixes are better than nerfs and tweaks.

What is it about high magic that would make the enemies kill themselves in firewalls? Maybe they would run through it to get to the caster (who wouldn't likely be standing in it), and only then, if they thought they could actually hurt the caster, which is most often not the case here. If your DM couldn't come up with something better than chasing you through your own firewalls, they don't deserve the title DM.

[parvo]

I'm just confused about how you can get a reflex save for a WALL of fire....It's not like you can walk through a wall and be able to dodge the flames that you are walking straight through.

I can understand wanting to adjust WoF down and what-not, but I feel that piece of the change really doesn't make sense. It'd be like getting a reflex save during a monsoon to avoid all of the rain drops. No matter how agile you are, if you are completely engulfed in something you aren't dodging it.

And yet, you and your entire party can sip tea and play tidlywinks in that same firewall. Somehow that confusion didn't bother you.

[Tom318]

They ******* well had better GIVE us sorcs hearts of wood with this debacle!

You can buy one with plat.. apparently. Saw someone on trying to buy them.. said he bought 3 already. Now imagine, what kind of person would sell a heart of wood for money? there are actually people like that

[NaturalHazard]

If a DM sat down at the table and said we are going to use an EQ style combat mechanic with double attack and off hand proc rather than how it is outlined in the core D&D books, explained they are making khopesh X3 for the hell of it, and then started changing spell definitions, specific state definitons, etc, at some point, we would have to name the game something else - that is, if everyone around the table just didnt get up and leave, heh.

The dm would be lucky if everyone just got up and left, and didnt do anything to him first.

[Unreliable]

Because everyone knows that if something casts an enormous wall of fire on you, if you have quick reflexes you can escape outs out it before being burned to a crisp? Rite!?!?!?!

[gone430]

time to start looking at a new game. what are they thinking???? update 9 is going to be the runescape free trade update...

[parvo]

I've got a 2nd account with a lvl 8, 12, and 16 caster as well for that purpose. I only use them for undead heavy quests, so its a decent nerf both to damage and cost. The higher level ones can at least use fireball more, but the lvl 8 is going to be screwed considering all the phasing undead at those levels.

At least I can drop extend now. Maybe get mental toughness to offset the extra cost.

Firewall has been obscolete for level eight undead for a while. Although the collective pug might not have caught on, at that level a cleric can destroy undead faster than firewall.

[nucphyschem]

I'm sorry with this huge overnerf this game all ready exists its called WoW. Now if I wanted to play WoW I would be paying blizzard money not turbine. Thank god Star Wars: The Old Republic comes out soon because if turbine keeps this up U10 will turn this game into just another complete WoW clone!

[yodino]

time to start looking at a new game. what are they thinking???? update 9 is going to be the runescape free trade update...

I suggest Star Wars: The Old Republic. link: http://www.swtor.com/

I played DDO because I thought it was loyal to D&D. Now it couldn't be farther from it. Gygax would be turning in his grave right now (and probably come back as an archlich and slaughter most of Turbine's staff).

If I'm gonna play a new system, I'll play something that's entirely different like SWTOR.

Yes turbine, your hardcore VIP customers who are loyal to D&D are going bye bye. Have fun entertaining 12 year old kids who can only play on the weekends.