Epic Shard Handoff - Cool or not Cool?

[nbennet]

Epic DQ2 tonight:

Shard drops.
A and B roll off, A is higher.
C (Guildmate of B) then rolls, wins, and is passed the shard.
C and B wait until everyone recalls.
C passes shard to B.

(Waited and took screenshots of the transaction.)

What's the consensus on this kind of situation?

[Dabima]

Seems unfair to me.. gives an unfair advantage. The point of rolling is that it's something you need.

[lugoman]

I think it's lame. B and C also think it's lame, that's why they waited for everyone to leave before passing it again.

[Junts]

Its usually lame, but it depends. I have done this when I've won a roll over a guildy who then let me know that for x or y reason they'd benefit from it more immediately (eg, they'd make the item immediatley and use it and i wont), and so I would not have rolled against them and I pass them the item after winning.

Most of the time, if its done pre-meditatedly to give two chances, its pretty lame.

[PowerOfRaistlin]

its the weekend and not loud enough yet on khyber, lets get those ss's posted

[PopeJual]

If you're not going to take it, then why did you roll on it in the first place?

Passing it off to the number two roller seems fine to me since that's who would have gotten it if you hadn't rolled in the first place.

[nbennet]

If you're not going to take it, then why did you roll on it in the first place?

Passing it off to the number two roller seems fine to me since that's who would have gotten it if you hadn't rolled in the first place.

You've misunderstood. Read the scenario again.

[PopeJual]

You've misunderstood. Read the scenario again.

I think that I understood correctly. Looking back on my post, I should have specified "C" and "B" rather than using a generic "you". I did not mean you=nbennet in this case.

C didn't want the shard. C just rolled to give B a "reroll". I would have no problem with A passing the shard to B if C hadn't rolled. I'd have no problem with C passing the shard to A because A was the next highest roll after C.

If you ain't gonna loot it, then don't roll for it. Not everyone believes in that. C obviously doesn't. C is clearly a dirty loot-passer as far as I'm concerned. I don't pay much attention to these things, but C and B will not be getting any loot that shows up in a chest under my name if I did notice something like that.

[merridyan]

Epic DQ2 tonight:

Shard drops.
A and B roll off, A is higher.
C (Guildmate of B) then rolls, wins, and is passed the shard.
C and B wait until everyone recalls.
C passes shard to B.

(Waited and took screenshots of the transaction.)

What's the consensus on this kind of situation?

A well known elite raiding guild did this to me once also.

[Nexx]

Epic DQ2 tonight:

Shard drops.
A and B roll off, A is higher.
C (Guildmate of B) then rolls, wins, and is passed the shard.
C and B wait until everyone recalls.
C passes shard to B.

(Waited and took screenshots of the transaction.)

What's the consensus on this kind of situation?

IMO, anyone is welcome to roll on whatever loot is for roll. If said person is a guildie of the other and wins the roll and gives it to them, big deal. It's not like it's the last time that thing will ever drop. I think a lot of people get way too bent out of shape when it comes to this. If it's that big of a problem that you're seriously complaining over a game, then you need to take a step back and look at yourself. Does your life really revolve around this game so much that you're getting heated over loot? Lol, silly if you ask me.

[PopeJual]

IMO, anyone is welcome to roll on whatever loot is for roll. If said person is a guildie of the other and wins the roll and gives it to them, big deal. It's not like it's the last time that thing will ever drop. I think a lot of people get way too bent out of shape when it comes to this. If it's that big of a problem that you're seriously complaining over a game, then you need to take a step back and look at yourself. Does your life really revolve around this game so much that you're getting heated over loot? Lol, silly if you ask me.

And if people want to /roll on items and then leave them in the chest because they think it's funny, they can do that too. I'll stop passing things to them if I see someone do something asinine like that, though.

[khaldan]

Mind posting the screenies?(with names blotted out, of course)

[Nexx]

And if people want to /roll on items and then leave them in the chest because they think it's funny, they can do that too. I'll stop passing things to them if I see someone do something asinine like that, though.

Well, THAT is just dumb. And poor play if you ask me. People like that get blacklisted and never invited back to ruin other's fun.

[Garth_of_Sarlona]

never roll on something you're not going to take (I don't mind if you don't use it until you TR, that's fine) but the point is that you should never roll on behalf of someone else and give it to them.

That's a blacklist addition for me - in fact it happened in an epic VoN earlier this week and I still remember the guy's name.

Garth

[nbennet]

[kanbeki]

I'll never understand these secret loot rules, if someone won a raffle between 12 people in real life for like trip tickets or something and then decided to give them to their friend, I doubt anyone would care. Yet every time it happens in game its pitchforks and torches. You're not the internet police, you didn't get the item, cry more. Once you pass the item it is no longer yours no matter how you may personally feel about it, and if you are worried about people swapping raid items to a guildie, just loot them yourself.

[unscythe]

IMO, anyone is welcome to roll on whatever loot is for roll. If said person is a guildie of the other and wins the roll and gives it to them, big deal. It's not like it's the last time that thing will ever drop. I think a lot of people get way too bent out of shape when it comes to this. If it's that big of a problem that you're seriously complaining over a game, then you need to take a step back and look at yourself. Does your life really revolve around this game so much that you're getting heated over loot? Lol, silly if you ask me.

WHAT moar luut are good. Rage over lost loot. Roll for selfish reasons good.


Rofl.. silly shard to get angry over.

[PopeJual]

I'll never understand these secret loot rules, if someone won a raffle between 12 people in real life for like trip tickets or something and then decided to give them to their friend, I doubt anyone would care. Yet every time it happens in game its pitchforks and torches. You're not the internet police, you didn't get the item, cry more. Once you pass the item it is no longer yours no matter how you may personally feel about it, and if you are worried about people swapping raid items to a guildie, just loot them yourself.

First off, the police arrest people who break laws. If you break my "law" I'll just think that you're an ass and I won't give you any more free stuff (and I'll avoid taking you in raids if I have the opportunity to make that decision).

The big difference between raid loot and your example is Turbine's Bound to Character trait on the item. Because the items are bound to character, only people who are actually going to use the item end up rolling for it. You don't see 12 people rolling on most raid loot. You see 3 or 4 people rolling on it. Even small shards in the Shroud only sees 5 or 6 rolls most of the time. That means that when C rolled, he was taking away part of A's chance to win the item (whether he won the roll or not). C shouldn't have been rolling in the first place as far as I'm concerned because he wasn't going to use the item.

As far as I'm concerned, people who do stuff like this are exactly the same as someone who wins the roll and leaves the loot in the chest or someone who loots the item even though they know they'll never end up using it. (If you loot the item with the intention of using it and then find out that you don't really like it all that much, that's different. It's not like every piece of raid loot is the ultimate gear for your character like Ring of Thellis for a Ranger or whatnot.)

To sum up:
A and B both roll because A and B are the only ones who want the gear.
A and B each have a 50% chance of getting the gear.

A and B and C all roll even though only A and B want the gear. C will pass to B if C wins.
A has a 33% chance of winning and B has a 66% chance of winning.

Which do you think K wanted to see when K put the item up for a roll?

[maddmatt70]

I'll never understand these secret loot rules, if someone won a raffle between 12 people in real life for like trip tickets or something and then decided to give them to their friend, I doubt anyone would care. Yet every time it happens in game its pitchforks and torches. You're not the internet police, you didn't get the item, cry more. Once you pass the item it is no longer yours no matter how you may personally feel about it, and if you are worried about people swapping raid items to a guildie, just loot them yourself.

It is the person who put the item up for roll's item. If that person decides that he/she wants it to go to the winner of a d100 roll - it should go to the winner of that roll and not get passed around. I do not like discouraging people from putting items up for roll by passing around items because I think people putting items up for roll and being generous should be encouraged.

[Sweyn]

I was the leader of that run. After i saw the shard still under the barb's name for 5 min, and him and his guildie just waiting around, i realized what had happened and that he was waiting until the last person left. I said to him, "Are you gonna loot your shard?" He said "Sure." But it sayed in the chest for another few minutes. So i said to him over voice, then send him a tell later

"Because you have been sneakey, because you have lied, and because you rolled for your guildmate, you and the rest of your guild is not welcome in any more of my raids."