Epic Shard Handoff - Cool or not Cool?

[irivan]

Doh I expected better from you guys.. A heckuva alot better. My guild generally puts up good stuff for roll to folks who join our raids not just guildies. For instance just this last Dq2 raid my guild ran a dq2 epic shard dropped I put it up for roll and 2 guildies rolled and 1 non guildie basically total pug rolled and won so I passed it to the non guildie. So why the heck should I put up shards for roll if this stuff goes on.

Norg are you kidding me?

This guy is lying his ass off about what happened.

Nuff said.

it was a mistake and he agreed that it was.

[Zombiekenny]

I don't blacklist anyone or anything when stuff like this happens, I just remember that it happened, and from that point forward, if something drops for me that I'm going to put up for roll, I ignore their rolls, or, if I've had it happen with several people from that guild, their guild's rolls. For all I know they aren't rolling for themselves, so to be as fair as possible it wouldn't be fair to let them roll. If they complain I'll tell them why, on voice.

[PopeJual]

Wow, WTG with necro-ing this and calling out my guild a second time in a public forum for an unfortunate series of mis-steps and a misunderstanding that happened over a year ago. That issue is so old it is on the second page of some other forum, lol.

We acknowledged that there were some things that we could have handled with greater care and the public apology and explanation of what happened during the incident was well documented.

Seems that you still haven't gotten over it. I'll tell you what - I will take my cleric and we will two man VoD until you get your goggles. We already tried apologizing about the misunderstanding but I guess the sting is still there for you. PM me when you want to roll VoD.

I'll get you some goggles. It will all be ok.

Vallin.

I'm not from Khyber, so I don't know the details and I don't know the players, but this makes me think that the guy who brought up the unpleasant loot drama is being [this space intentionally left blank] and that the Defenders of Whatever are probably pretty decent folks most of the time.

You have got to be incredibly arrogant to come out here and name us essentially, and then act like we are not going to come back hard.

First, do you really think we give a darn about you enough to sit there and apologize to you over the miscommunication if it wasn't really that?

Second you shrugged it off on the spot as we addressed it and offered you compensation and agreed that it was just a mistake.

Third, you have continued to join our runs since then, if we truly injured you so badly, why go there?

4th? Dont ever join a Defender run again, if i see you in one, i will grab the star and personally boot you on the spot. Or have the guild recall and reform.

Completely unreal, Where does he this guy get off? You should have said right then and there that you were wronged, not dance around the issue, but for some folks no amount of explanation can help you.

Get real.

I'm not from Khyber, so I don't know the details and I don't know the players, but this makes me think that the guy who brought up the unpleasant loot drama deserves a free beer and plate of hot wings and makes the Defenders look like a great big steaming pile of fail with a side order of drama.

I regret the fact that I so often have sounded like the second post and that I do not sound like the first post often enough. If I got to see the two sides of the coin illustrated so clearly more often, I might make better choices in my life. Probably not, but I can hope, at least.

[Nexx]

2 neg's for my post. Sheesh, no one is entitled to their opinion today
without getting red flagged.

[Sweyn]

If it's that big of a problem that you're seriously complaining over a game, then you need to take a step back and look at yourself. Does your life really revolve around this game so much that you're getting heated over loot? Lol, silly if you ask me.

Who said anyone was heated over loot? The OP wasn't a post complaining or ranting (the OP didn't even roll for said item). It's merely a thread debating whether it is cool or not cool, that's it.


Edit: I was not one of the ones who neg repped you though.

[Nexx]

Who said anyone was heated over loot? The OP wasn't a post complaining or ranting (the OP didn't even roll for said item). It's merely a thread debating whether it is cool or not cool, that's it.

And who said that I was pointing my finger at the OP?

[Mithran]

Who said anyone was heated over loot? The OP wasn't a post complaining or ranting (the OP didn't even roll for said item). It's merely a thread debating whether it is cool or not cool, that's it.

My recollection (admittedly without having looked the OLD Thread up) was that you'd indicated that anything anyone did with "their" loot was okay, where I was trying to say that guilds who rolled for their buddies in the raid was underhanded.

[fuzzy1guy]

Getting in an extra roll for someone who LOST.... Lame. ''hey we got more 2 guildies in the run than you. our guy lost we'll just keep adding rolls until one of us gets it for him! heck.. 100k plat to anyone else who rolls for our side! We'll buy all the chances at the item!''



It's **** like this and the epic scroll ninjas that are the reason nobody runs open epics anymore.

Guild/friends run only. Or forget it. Just not worth deailing with epic greed.

I quit keeping a blacklist for epics. A whitelist is smaller.

[Nospe]

I have read each post carefully and don't understand.

Each item now has a reserved for tag under it - if that has my name on it and I want it I take it - thats how the game is designed correct?

If I don't want it then I really don't care who has it as long as it goes to someone. If someone rolls and wins the tag chages to reserved for them - it then becomes theirs, to do with as they wish, they won it.

I have 5 brothers - last week I got a new TV - they agreed who got it and I gave it them - obviously I made him sign a contract to say when you have finished with it you MUST NOT give it to any of the other brothers - what is this about?

[PopeJual]

I have read each post carefully and don't understand.

Each item now has a reserved for tag under it - if that has my name on it and I want it I take it - thats how the game is designed correct?

If I don't want it then I really don't care who has it as long as it goes to someone. If someone rolls and wins the tag chages to reserved for them - it then becomes theirs, to do with as they wish, they won it.

I have 5 brothers - last week I got a new TV - they agreed who got it and I gave it them - obviously I made him sign a contract to say when you have finished with it you MUST NOT give it to any of the other brothers - what is this about?

Nope. This is about people being sneaky and deceitful to try to get extra loot for their friends.

It's about 1 of your brothers who doesn't want another TV pretending that he does want the TV so that he can give it to the brother that he thinks deserves the TV instead of the brother that you think should get it.

[Nospe]

Nope. This is about people being sneaky and deceitful to try to get extra loot for their friends.

It's about 1 of your brothers who doesn't want another TV pretending that he does want the TV so that he can give it to the brother that he thinks deserves the TV instead of the brother that you think should get it.

Nope - it's about someone winning it and then - shock horror - them doing what they want with it - how rude of them...

[Mithran]

Nope - it's about someone winning it and then - shock horror - them doing what they want with it - how rude of them...

Welcome to DDO.

It's not about someone rolling on loot; it's about someone rolling on loot they're not personally interested in.

[Sweyn]

My recollection (admittedly without having looked the OLD Thread up) was that you'd indicated that anything anyone did with "their" loot was okay, where I was trying to say that guilds who rolled for their buddies in the raid was underhanded.

Ahh no, see in your thread i said it was ok to just pass, or in your words "Ninja" my loot(that dropped for me) to a friend, but not loot that i rolled for and won.

So wait.. you're telling me that if i loot something, and pass it over to a friend... that is frowned apon?!?

This isn't loot i rolled for and won, this is loot that dropped for me, you're pretty much forcing people to do certain things with loot that they might not want to.

I understand it is your raid.. your rules, but if you are gonna be like this, make sure you make it VERY clear, so people have time to leave before the raid starts

Red for emphasis

I'm pretty sure that's the thread you're talking about. I have always thought rolling for others is bad form

[Pape_27]

Nope - it's about someone winning it and then - shock horror - them doing what they want with it - how rude of them...

Basic rule of loot rolling: If you can use the item, roll for it. If you cannot use the item, do not roll for it. Period.

The dude who rolled and won knew this, and knew what he did was wrong. That's why he waited until the party had left/disbanded before making the switch to his guildmate. Its got all levels of wrong written all over it.


_

[Sweyn]

And who said that I was pointing my finger at the OP?

The fact that you quoted him in your 1st post

[mehlinda]

If it was cool the person who won the roll would have instantly transferred it and not waited till everyone left. Obviously they knew it was shady. In the end, we all get the raid loot we want. Some people choose to engage in shady to have theirs a bit early.

[Nexx]

The fact that you quoted him in your 1st post

Gee next time I'll have to put in "Not pointing finger at OP" if I'm quoting someone. Just so you don't jump on my case

[Sweyn]

Gee next time I'll have to put in "Not pointing finger at OP" if I'm quoting someone. Just so you don't jump on my case

I'm not jumping on your case. Usually when someone quotes another person they are discussing what that quote has to say, and how they feel about it.

When you quote an OP about a loot discussion, then say things in the same post like "If it's that big of a problem that you're seriously complaining over a game, then you need to take a step back and look at yourself. Does your life really revolve around this game so much that you're getting heated over loot?", then it implies that you are talking directly to the OP.

[Nexx]

I'm not jumping on your case. Usually when someone quotes another person they are discussing what that quote has to say, and how they feel about it.

When you quote an OP about a loot discussion, then say things in the same post like "If it's that big of a problem that you're seriously complaining over a game, then you need to take a step back and look at yourself. Does your life really revolve around this game so much that you're getting heated over loot?", then it implies that you are talking directly to the OP.

Usually, doesn't mean I was. I quote to re-read while putting my opinion. I was in no way directing my post toward the OP. Guess not everyone has the same idea of how to use the "quoting system".

[shablala]

IMO, anyone is welcome to roll on whatever loot is for roll. If said person is a guildie of the other and wins the roll and gives it to them, big deal. It's not like it's the last time that thing will ever drop. I think a lot of people get way too bent out of shape when it comes to this. If it's that big of a problem that you're seriously complaining over a game, then you need to take a step back and look at yourself. Does your life really revolve around this game so much that you're getting heated over loot? Lol, silly if you ask me.

Yea and when I play a "game" with my kids, I still teach not to cheat or be a poor looser. So your opinion is really a slap in the face to anyone who thinks there should be fairness and etiquette in a game and I really hope you dont pass this attitude to your kids some day.