Epic Shard Handoff - Cool or not Cool?

[Mobeius]

Well the person who put the shard up for roll has a say in this as well. Just say ask everyone who plans on rolling for it and include no "buddy rolling".. Your loot, your rules...

There has been many times I seen people roll on items that another char can use more and I didnt count their roll and gave to accordingly. Like TOD rings, i saw two pallys roll on a ppally ring that dropped for me and others rolled on it. I looked to see if they were pallys and what level etc... forfeitted the others and gave to the highest pally. Did it also for a two rogues rolling on a icy raiment and a cleric rolled on it. I discounted the cleric, who incidentally was just getting it to TR with, which I appreciate but the CURRENT light fighter types needed it more.

If it drops for me and a guildy wants it, its theirs, multiple guildies roll...

[PopeJual]

I'll never understand these secret loot rules, if someone won a raffle between 12 people in real life for like trip tickets or something and then decided to give them to their friend, I doubt anyone would care.

Hey, I have another example of how the secret loot rules work.

Karen, Alan, Bob and Charlie are sitting in the company cafeteria, eating their lunch. Karen mentions that she has extra Yankees tickets that she can't use this weekend, does anyone want them? Alan and Bob are big Yankees fans, so they both /roll d100 and someone wins. Whichever one doesn't win is sad, but he'll get over it and Charlie doesn't care because he's a Mets fan.

Now, let's look at that again with a twist.

Karen, Alan, Bob and Charlie are sitting in the company cafeteria, eating their lunch. Karen mentions that she has extra Yankees tickets that she can't use this weekend, does anyone want them? Alan and Bob are big Yankees fans, so they both /roll d100. Charlie is a Mets fan, but he rolls /d100 anyway and wins the tickets. Now, after work and without telling anyone, Charlie gives Bob the tickets and Alan or Karen end up seeing Bob on the Jumbotron that weekend.
Do you think that it would be reasonable for Alan or Karen to be upset with Charlie and Bob?


Edit: Also, please don't let people bully you into giving away loot that drops under your name. Please ONLY give it away if you're actually not going to use it. Even if you're the "wrong" class for the item, if you're going to actually use it, then please DO loot it yourself and enjoy it. The loot gods smiled upon you this time and you have every right to take loot that drops for you if you are going to use it.

[AyumiAmakusa]

Not cool. If that was the case, I'd rather run with 4 guildies and a PUG so we can all roll and pass shards and laugh about it behind his back.

[Thlargir]

Whatever ones personal rules in loot sharing, the key to identifying this as a scuzball move is the behaviour of B and C after the roll.

The fact that they waited to make the final move until after everyone had left seems to show clearly that they took it to be "against the rules" they were operating under.

That should be enough to define their character, and be a good indicator of how they will act in the future.

[Waukeen]

Double rolling on items is disgraceful, and leads to should lead to listing IMO.

I advocate your loot is your loot.

I am cool with limited or guild only rolls.

I am cool with passing to a guildy, friend, or whoever you deem fit.

I am indifferent on the topic of selling raid/bound items via /tells. I do not participate in this, but I get why people do it.

Entering into a /roll 1d-- situation only to be doing it as backup for a guildy in a PuG is just bush-league behavior.

This topic has been beaten to death, but +1 for investigating and posting screens.

[soupertc]

yeah that's not ok in my book.

I will pass stuff to guildies or friends if I actully looted it. But rolling to pass it is a big no-no. I don't know why people do that kinda stuff.....even if it was a SUPER UBER Shard there is simply no was to justify something like that.

Sucks it happened OP...but now you know...so does your Server and I saw the raid leader post something as well...so looks like they screwed themselves...and that is justice right there!!!

[Buggss]

This came up once a long time ago and the only reason it still happens is because anyone that puts the name of the protaganists in the general channel or any other channel are considered to be doing something worse than the dodgy ones doing the deal.

The only ones who claim it's acceptable are those who have benefitted from it or been caught out doing it publicly.

Even those guilds who always roll between themselves on raid loot are seeming more reasonable these days, at least the ones who tell you it'll happen when you join the group. Those who don't tell everyone should do but you only tend to make that mistake once.

[Buggss]

After a little reflection on the thread, perhaps there should be an option on the dropdown menu that allows you to transfer ownership to another player of a /roll.

Once you've selected this you'd get an option to roll appearing on all other players in the group. You could either choose to roll or not. The game would then look from highest to lowest of the rolls made and offer one at a time the chance to accept the ownership of the item.

Not sure where it would come in the priorities of the game but it does seem to appear in the forum and threads fairly regularly and that kind of change shouldn't be any more complicated than the original loot distribution changes made years ago.

[Mobeius]

BTW this happened to before on VOD run with a certain racial guild of defenders (defenders of loot i suppose).. 3 people rolled, I won, and then 30 seconds later the Wizzy rolls for it and wins..

They tried to BS me this was an accident and so forth and the person went afk etc, etc, etc... the gist is they wait for everyone to recall out and break group and then after me sitting there for ten minutes they finally switch the item over to the other guy. Then after i made my objections to that, they make a slew of excuses why this happened and its just some misunderstanding.

[kanbeki]

Karen, Alan, Bob and Charlie are sitting in the company cafeteria, eating their lunch. Karen mentions that she has extra Yankees tickets that she can't use this weekend, does anyone want them? Alan and Bob are big Yankees fans, so they both /roll d100. Charlie is a Mets fan, but he rolls /d100 anyway and wins the tickets. Now, after work and without telling anyone, Charlie gives Bob the tickets and Alan or Karen end up seeing Bob on the Jumbotron that weekend.
Do you think that it would be reasonable for Alan or Karen to be upset with Charlie and Bob?
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No unless Karen is a real **** she's not going to care, plus Charlie could always say some emergency came up and he gave his ticket to Bob because he knew he wanted to go, Alan would just be mad like OP and many others in this thread because Bob got to go and he didn't, which is the bottom line.

When is the last time you have used d100 as an accurate measure in real life?

[Sweyn]

Yea, the LOL in your second screenie was me asking if he was gonna loot it, which he lied.

[Krag]

I'll never understand these secret loot rules, if someone won a raffle between 12 people in real life for like trip tickets or something and then decided to give them to their friend, I doubt anyone would care. Yet every time it happens in game its pitchforks and torches. You're not the internet police, you didn't get the item, cry more. Once you pass the item it is no longer yours no matter how you may personally feel about it, and if you are worried about people swapping raid items to a guildie, just loot them yourself.

Understanding is not required.
You follow the rules or you don't. Expect people to treat you accordingly.

[Boldrin]

If I join a raid with another guild, I go in expecting to not get a good shot at their loot.. I generally resign myself to getting what I pull , and they're gonna hook their guildies up.. If I get a roll on an item , cool, if not, oh well... next! The only control anyone has over any loot in the game is what they pull themselves.. All else is up to the discretion of who pulled it.

[Strakeln]

Epic DQ2 tonight:

Shard drops.
A and B roll off, A is higher.
C (Guildmate of B) then rolls, wins, and is passed the shard.
C and B wait until everyone recalls.
C passes shard to B.

(Waited and took screenshots of the transaction.)

What's the consensus on this kind of situation?

(pretend that I was the person offering the shard up for roll)

B and C will be excluded from the next roll on a desired piece of loot that I put up. If they ever do it again with my loot, they are excluded from rolling on my loot forever.

[khaldan]

If I join a raid with another guild, I go in expecting to not get a good shot at their loot.. I generally resign myself to getting what I pull , and they're gonna hook their guildies up.. If I get a roll on an item , cool, if not, oh well... next! The only control anyone has over any loot in the game is what they pull themselves.. All else is up to the discretion of who pulled it.

There's a difference between an in-house roll(which is what I think you're talking about) and having a guild all roll on any item that comes up to pass it to one specific person.

[Sweyn]

Alan would just be mad like OP and many others in this thread because Bob got to go and he didn't, which is the bottom line.

Actually, if you look at the screenshots, you can see the OP didn't even roll for the shard in question, so you saying he is posting this as a rant and he is mad that he didn't get it is entirely inaccurate.

The point of this thread, as the title blatently says, is to discuss if it is "Cool or not" to roll for guildies. That's it; it has nothing to do with someone not getting what they want.

[Slink]

(pretend that I was the person offering the shard up for roll)

B and C will be excluded from the next roll on a desired piece of loot that I put up. If they ever do it again with my loot, they are excluded from rolling on my loot forever.

^This.

Only difference with me is, you get one chance.
There is no second chance.

I agree OP, it is shoddy, underhanded and extremely lousy.

[Pape_27]

Epic DQ2 tonight:

Shard drops.
A and B roll off, A is higher.
C (Guildmate of B) then rolls, wins, and is passed the shard.
C and B wait until everyone recalls.
C passes shard to B.

(Waited and took screenshots of the transaction.)

What's the consensus on this kind of situation?

What they did was just plain wrong.

can you pm names?

[BitkaCK2]

Epic DQ2 tonight:

Shard drops.
A and B roll off, A is higher.
C (Guildmate of B) then rolls, wins, and is passed the shard.
C and B wait until everyone recalls.
C passes shard to B.

(Waited and took screenshots of the transaction.)

What's the consensus on this kind of situation?

bitkaCK2

[jkm]

man, getting blacklisted for the crest of st. markus. that may be the saddest thing i've ever heard.