Epic Shard Handoff - Cool or not Cool?

[Nexx]

Yea and when I play a "game" with my kids, I still teach not to cheat or be a poor looser. So your opinion is really a slap in the face to anyone who thinks there should be fairness and etiquette in a game and I really hope you dont pass this attitude to your kids some day.

Well, good for you. I never said I play that way.
And I'm sorry if you've been "slapped in the face" with my opinion.

[shablala]

I'll never understand these secret loot rules, if someone won a raffle between 12 people in real life for like trip tickets or something and then decided to give them to their friend, I doubt anyone would care. Yet every time it happens in game its pitchforks and torches. You're not the internet police, you didn't get the item, cry more. Once you pass the item it is no longer yours no matter how you may personally feel about it, and if you are worried about people swapping raid items to a guildie, just loot them yourself.

These types of mentalities is what's wrong with the world today. Absolute lack of respect or considerations for others.

[shablala]

Usually, doesn't mean I was. I quote to re-read while putting my opinion. I was in no way directing my post toward the OP. Guess not everyone has the same idea of how to use the "quoting system".

ohhh I would say 95% of the people use "quoting" the right way.

[Lorien_the_First_One]

Basic rule of loot rolling: If you can use the item, roll for it. If you cannot use the item, do not roll for it. Period.

The dude who rolled and won knew this, and knew what he did was wrong. That's why he waited until the party had left/disbanded before making the switch to his guildmate. Its got all levels of wrong written all over it.


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Agreed, they demonstrated their guilt in their own eyes by waiting.

If people can't understand and follow the basic rule you set out above it makes things less friendly and more difficult for the entire community.

[Nexx]

ohhh I would say 95% of the people use "quoting" the right way.

Yep, I'm sure they do.

[PopeJual]

Yep, I'm sure they do.

Moar content, less troll, plz.

[Uska]

Not cool and I would never let them roll on my loot again and even avoid running with them in the futrue if possible

[HumanJHawkins]

Epic DQ2 tonight:

Shard drops.
A and B roll off, A is higher.
C (Guildmate of B) then rolls, wins, and is passed the shard.
C and B wait until everyone recalls.
C passes shard to B.

(Waited and took screenshots of the transaction.)

What's the consensus on this kind of situation?

If the guy who put it up for roll was in on it and wanted it to go to person B, then the guy is just a wuss. He should have just given it to who he wanted publicly. It was his loot and he had the right to do so. The shenanigans are just lame, but not unethical.

If the guy who pulled it was not in on the thing, then it is fraud. The person who put it up for roll did so under a common presumed set of rules. And the other two rolled, knowing full well what the rules were, and stole the loot through trickery, which is the weakest form of weaksauce. Anyone who feels they have to do that to be successful in this game is a total ***** deserving of pity.

[Cyr]

Not cool and I would never let them roll on my loot again and even avoid running with them in the futrue if possible

^This

[Monsoon28]

The one thing I think has been established over the years, in regards to looting is there are no rules.

But trying to be sneaky and wait in hope for everyone else to leave and then send it off to a buddy is just lame.

They should have just passed it off right away and out in the open for everyone to see.
In another situation the guy who won, might have been talked out of it, by his guildie through a payment of goods.

What I find funny is all this drama is over a St. Markus Shard, I've lost count on the amount of times I've seen that drop and no one caring enough to roll for it.

[stainer]

I hate that people would do things like that to get loot. I am glad that I run with the people I run with.

Here are my rules -

1. Guild first - mainly this is on rings from ToD. I think this is pretty common and accepted.
2. If I think someone needs the item and I like them - they get it. Sometimes, rarely though, this beats out #1.
3. Hordo. I like for him to have new stuff, since his stuff gets damaged from all the deaths.
4. If someones says "hey can I has that _____" and I don't feel like messing with rolling.
5. Put it up for roll.

I have long ago learned not to get deeply involved in thinking about an item. If it doesn't drop for me, I don't plan on it coming my way.

[Sweyn]

What I find funny is all this drama is over a St. Markus Shard, I've lost count on the amount of times I've seen that drop and no one caring enough to roll for it.

What i find funny is your lack of understanding of the issue. It has nothing to do with the St. Markus Shard, hell this issue could be about the Amulet of the Storm Reaver for all I care, but it's about their behavior with loot.

[MikeyMang]

Epic DQ2 tonight:

Shard drops.
A and B roll off, A is higher.
C (Guildmate of B) then rolls, wins, and is passed the shard.
C and B wait until everyone recalls.
C passes shard to B.

(Waited and took screenshots of the transaction.)

What's the consensus on this kind of situation?

Welcome to the wonderfully selfish yet childish world... But, then again, most DDO'ers are adults... hmmmm

[RuneStriker]

Well the person who put the shard up for roll has a say in this as well. Just say ask everyone who plans on rolling for it and include no "buddy rolling".. Your loot, your rules...

There has been many times I seen people roll on items that another char can use more and I didnt count their roll and gave to accordingly. Like TOD rings, i saw two pallys roll on a ppally ring that dropped for me and others rolled on it. I looked to see if they were pallys and what level etc... forfeitted the others and gave to the highest pally. Did it also for a two rogues rolling on a icy raiment and a cleric rolled on it. I discounted the cleric, who incidentally was just getting it to TR with, which I appreciate but the CURRENT light fighter types needed it more.

BTW this happened to before on VOD run .. 3 people rolled, I won, and then 30 seconds later the Wizzy rolls for it and wins..

They tried to BS me this was an accident and so forth and the person went afk etc, etc, etc... the gist is they wait for everyone to recall out and break group and then after me sitting there for ten minutes they finally switch the item over to the other guy. Then after i made my objections to that, they make a slew of excuses why this happened and its just some misunderstanding.

So when it's your loot and you put it up for roll you will freely ignore/change the rules how ever you want after the roll, but when it's you rolling on something you expect the straight roll, within your given time frame, to be the only determining factor? Sounds like a nice double standard.

So which is it Mobeius, does the person putting it up for roll have the final say regardless of the roll situation or not?

You in politics by any chance?

[Folonius]

Epic DQ2 tonight:

Shard drops.
A and B roll off, A is higher.
C (Guildmate of B) then rolls, wins, and is passed the shard.
C and B wait until everyone recalls.
C passes shard to B.

(Waited and took screenshots of the transaction.)

What's the consensus on this kind of situation?

I've done this for guildies, and I've had other guildies in other guilds do this for each other with loot that I put up for roll. I consider it a benefit of being in a guild, and running with multiple guildies. If I'm in a ToD run, and 8 people are guildies and 4 aren't, and a non guildie gets an item, puts it up for roll, and one of the 8 people in the guild wants the item, I'll roll for that item to help out my guildie. If I get loot and there are guildies with me in that run, I let them have first grabs at it.

I will bend over backwards for any of my friends and guildies in game.

[Sweyn]

I've done this for guildies, and I've had other guildies in other guilds do this for each other with loot that I put up for roll. I consider it a benefit of being in a guild, and running with multiple guildies. If I'm in a ToD run, and 8 people are guildies and 4 aren't, and a non guildie gets an item, puts it up for roll, and one of the 8 people in the guild wants the item, I'll roll for that item to help out my guildie. If I get loot and there are guildies with me in that run, I let them have first grabs at it.

I will bend over backwards for any of my friends and guildies in game.

Your toon is "Rejist" in the guild of the "Dragon Order of Arcanix", i'll keep that in mind.

-Thanks

[Folonius]

Your toon is "Rejist" in the guild of the "Dragon Order of Arcanix", i'll keep that in mind.

-Thanks

Yeah, I've grouped with you in the past on several of my characters. He's the most well known though I think.

[shablala]

What I find funny is all this drama is over a St. Markus Shard, I've lost count on the amount of times I've seen that drop and no one caring enough to roll for it.

I think the vast majority of people are having issue with the principle not what was actually exchanged.

[Mithran]

I guess this means I won't look to group with DOoA, anymore.

[irivan]

So when it's your loot and you put it up for roll you will freely ignore/change the rules how ever you want after the roll, but when it's you rolling on something you expect the straight roll, within your given time frame, to be the only determining factor? Sounds like a nice double standard.

So which is it Mobeius, does the person putting it up for roll have the final say regardless of the roll situation or not?

You in politics by any chance?

Funny how Mobieus accused us of doing what he states he does. I wonder if he even realizes that he pointed him self out, that is why he is so paranoid about it.

The Bottom line with the Defenders is that when loot is pulled in Chest, and owner does not want, it goes up for a roll, there is no sneaky business.

If we were ever to decide that we want our guildies to have some thing anyway there would be no roll, end of story, it would just get passed and we would say we did it too.

But that does not happen, we dont want our item, we post it for roll. The Mobieus incident was isolated. The fact is that we dont need to pug VOD at all, and that any one in our VOD raid for example is simply server charity.

To imply that we need to sneak around to get raid loot is weak. And a great many of you have raided with us in the past, you would be hard pressed to duplicate this guys statement.

Mobieus is a straight up liar. And if it was not a mistake Mobieus i would have just blown you off. You are not important enough for me to explain jack to you.