The 6 Ranger splash is dead!

[redraider]

That is all.

[LugnutEU]

Which isn't necessarily a bad thing. When a 6 level splash becomes prevalent in so many builds there is obviously an issue with balance.

[Aesop]

that is all

[Visty]

its not dead

[Auran82]

Those kinds of splashes will still happen for the free feats (TWF/ITWF bow feats etc) it just wont always be the case that people take Dodge, Mobility and spring attack for Tempest 1 anymore.

[Deified]

14 Pal/6 Rng is still sexy. Zeal and Tempest.

[Chai]

For people who take things only in the literal sense its not completely dead. You will still see a few here and there for better 2wf and for archers.

For those of us who understand the gray area and the law of averages, the 6 ranger splash is dead, because it doesnt offer what it once did, and you will be able to put those levels to better use to get more out of a build.

[Chai]

14 Pal/6 Rng is still sexy. Zeal and Tempest.

True, but its more of a debate now, with the haste gone. Full 20 pally looks more attractive as a damage dealer than it once did -vs- a 6 ranger 14 pally.

[Zenako]

True, but its more of a debate now, with the haste gone. Full 20 pally looks more attractive as a damage dealer than it once did -vs- a 6 ranger 14 pally.

SSoooo as has been true since time began (in the D&D universes at least), pure classes once again come off as being more immune to changes. Which is exactly why the best advice to give to most new players is to stay pure with their first character. It will always be less vulnerable to second guessing build choices or rule changes thruout its entire game life. It is also true the maximum peak performance often requires precise builds and stat allocations to optimize.

For most purposes of general effectiveness 6 rangers levels still give you a lot, just not as much as before.

[Chai]

SSoooo as has been true since time began (in the D&D universes at least), pure classes once again come off as being more immune to changes. Which is exactly why the best advice to give to most new players is to stay pure with their first character. It will always be less vulnerable to second guessing build choices or rule changes thruout its entire game life. It is also true the maximum peak performance often requires precise builds and stat allocations to optimize.

For most purposes of general effectiveness 6 rangers levels still give you a lot, just not as much as before.

Yeap, exactly - you want to be the flavor of the month? Its like buying first gen technology. Its awesome when it works, but when they recall them all due to design flaw, it makes you wish you had not spent your money and time on it.

[Phidius]

I have no intention of dropping 6 ranger from either of my tempest casters. I am, however, seriously considering gaining three feats back instead of a 10% bonus to offhand attacks...

[ConnorMacLoad]

I have no intention of dropping 6 ranger from either of my tempest casters. I am, however, seriously considering gaining three feats back instead of a 10% bonus to offhand attacks...

this is where I sit too. I do not have the financial means yet to pay to get rid of all the levels I would need to, so for now I will likely dump tempest and pick up some other handy feats.

[tympist]

Quick question here.

How much did they nerf offhand damage?

[Krag]

Yeap, exactly - you want to be the flavor of the month? Its like buying first gen technology. Its awesome when it works, but when they recall them all due to design flaw, it makes you wish you had not spent your money and time on it.

Some people love juggling with numbers, make meaningful build choices and trade offs. It's no secret that some people are taking pride in being able to beat portal 2 seconds faster than the other guy. Drastic changes without any reasonable way to respec character (only 5 levels at a time and no GS deconstruction, really?) completely erase this fun from the game.

[jwdaniels]

Some people love juggling with numbers, make meaningful build choices and trade offs. It's no secret that some people are taking pride in being able to beat portal 2 seconds faster than the other guy. Drastic changes without any reasonable way to respec character (only 5 levels at a time and no GS deconstruction, really?) completely erase this fun from the game.

If you play the game with the build you enjoy rather than what the forums say is the only perfect build, you have a lot less changing to finagle when they nerf the flavor of the month.

[Chai]

If you play the game with the build you enjoy rather than what the forums say is the only perfect build, you have a lot less changing to finagle when they nerf the flavor of the month.

Yeap its called building on concept rather than on available weapons and current content. Building on things you have control over, like concept, will rarely make you mad when a change occurs, where building on factors you cant control, like gear and content, will make you need to change alot to be at the same level of effectiveness.

[Lorien_the_First_One]

For people who take things only in the literal sense its not completely dead. You will still see a few here and there for better 2wf and for archers.

For those of us who understand the gray area and the law of averages, the 6 ranger splash is dead, because it doesnt offer what it once did, and you will be able to put those levels to better use to get more out of a build.

So you (and the OP) are congradulating the devs on achieving better balance so a L6 enhancement in a class didn't give the same bonus as L20 capstone and thus leading to more diversity in builds?

[krud]

Yeap its called building on concept rather than on available weapons and current content. Building on things you have control over, like concept, will rarely make you mad when a change occurs, where building on factors you cant control, like gear and content, will make you need to change alot to be at the same level of effectiveness.

/agreed

I always build on concept, but my characters are still gimp . Maybe I need better concepts?

[kingfisher]

I have no intention of dropping 6 ranger from either of my tempest casters. I am, however, seriously considering gaining three feats back instead of a 10% bonus to offhand attacks...

idk phi, the 6 fighter for the feats and +2 str instead of 6 ranger for the feats and speed is looking good, too early to tell i guess. i dont think eitehr build will be hurt too much, considering that both will still b using dp clickies to attain full bab anyway. mines a ranger spalsh atm, and im not real keen on changing anything to suit friggin turbine

[Krag]

If you play the game with the build you enjoy rather than what the forums say is the only perfect build, you have a lot less changing to finagle when they nerf the flavor of the month.

Warchanters were never flavor of the month for the lack of personal strength and yet they nerfed both their attack speed, primary weapons (weighted 5%) and almost introduced STWF to hose them even further. Rogues, paladins, battle-clerics, FvS are in the same boat. They have to cough 4 large scales out of thin air or make significant sacrifices to fit Stunning Blow into their build only to be able to perform as they did prior to nerfdate.