The 6 Ranger splash is dead!

[Deamus]

Well imo Tempest was broken in the first place . its not logical a first tier pre to have so much power like 10% alacrity which paladins have to reach (if i remember right) 14 lvl and the fighters 20lvl. Not mentioning monk that need to reach 18 lvl so as to get grandmaster air.

Tempest I also when it was released if i remember right rangers were not invited to parties because they had lower dps . So tempest I pre released which was a big overpowering mistake that broke other classes so for that reason Devs had to give alacrity to Fighters, Paladins , Monks.

Tempest I pre is like the firewall spell and its snowball effect all over again ....

They only reason that they didn't nerf tempest I when tier II and III was released was because there were no respecs.That had to be done to tempest and this was a chance for devs to do it by nerfing also everyone else .

As you all mentioned there was a serious DPS advantage to take 6 ranger in the 95% multi class DPS builds and that makes the PRE broken and overpowering. No other PRE was so powerful like tempest I .

I don't believe that 6 lvl rangers multi are dead cause you gain free feats and viable ranged combat which makes the hybrid more versatile .

PS.1 I still dont agree with the twf and thf nerf as a whole.
PS.2 And yes ofc you can neg rep me :P .... , after all I'm telling the truth....

[grodon9999]

Well imo Tempest was broken in the first place . its not logical a first tier pre to have so much power like 10% alacrity which paladins have to reach (if i remember right) 14 lvl and the fighters 20lvl. Not mentioning monk that need to reach 18 lvl so as to get grandmaster air.

Tempest I also when it was released if i remember right rangers were not invited to parties because they had lower dps . So tempest I pre released which was a big overpowering mistake that broke other classes so for that reason Devs had to give alacrity to Fighters, Paladins , Monks.

Tempest I pre is like the firewall spell and its snowball effect all over again ....

They only reason that they didn't nerf tempest I when tier II and III was released was because there were no respecs.That had to be done to tempest and this was a chance for devs to do it by nerfing also everyone else .

As you all mentioned there was a serious DPS advantage to take 6 ranger in the 95% multi class DPS builds and that makes the PRE broken and overpowering. No other PRE was so powerful like tempest I .

I don't believe that 6 lvl rangers multi are dead cause you gain free feats and viable ranged combat which makes the hybrid more versatile .

PS.1 I still dont agree with the twf and thf nerf as a whole.
PS.2 And yes ofc you can neg rep me :P .... , after all I'm telling the truth....

it's hard to refute that, tempest I is over powering. Instead of breaking the whole combat system they should have given tempest I a 5% speed boost and the other 5% at tempest II.

[Absolute-Omniscience]

A_O I was having issues trying to figure out the dps calculator. I trust it over my paper work also. Wondering what bribe I need to offer to get you to run thru:
Drow Monk12/tempest/rogue2 with shortswords
30 str, +2 from Drow, shintao set, with and without Favored damage, power attack, tharnes, 4d6+3 sneak, hasted, no seeker bonus
107.5% main hand/90% off hand
unarmed for 100% fort using touch of death if you have the unarmed attacks/minute

Or whatever your normal setup is so I have a basis to work from.

Sorry, not gonna post any singular calcs until U5 hits the live. As it can be and probably will be subject to change, and takes a while to post singular builds. Will post some charts now and then, one can be found in the fighter forums under the newest monster thread.

it's hard to refute that, tempest I is over powering. Instead of breaking the whole combat system they should have given tempest I a 5% speed boost and the other 5% at tempest II.

Imo, this system is a lot better, especially balance-wise. Only problem at the moment is no glancings on thf twitch, they should just have dropped the attackspeed on twitching (again) to fix it. Cause at the moment with the current U5 plans Fighters are way ahead of barbarians in thf as they barely lose anything with glancings, but gain all the advantages of twitch.

[grodon9999]

Got a silly question for the better number crunchers - with the current numbers being used on U5 Lamaland, would an Arcane Archer who used as a Lightning II bow while Manyshot was up and then switched to Mineral II melee weapons when manyshot was on timer do more damage over time than a tempest III? My caveman numbers so far say yes but my accounting can be wrong.

A ranger 20 with capstone can fire 96 arrows in a manyshot while hasted.