For all the new player Clerics are HEALERS not tanks....

[TWDiggs1980]

So I have been playing my lowbie bard here recently and it seems that every other cleric I run across in a pug trys to tank. Clerics are a support class people not up front fighters. I know you probably thought hey a warpriest thats a pretty good build in pen and paper but in DDO they suck. Pen and paper D&D isn't the same your DM isn't throwing you up against most of the mobs your are going to face in DDO and if they are I would punch them in the face and pull my char.


The above is my OP. The following is what I meant.


Yup my OP was the source of all the following mess. It wasn't meant to be an attack on builds just a notice to new players that clerics are healers and do have heal spells that they can use. I have ran into more than a few playing my lower lvl toons that seem to be ignorant of the fact and It was after a said run of wand whipping a party through gwalyns stand in which the cleric cast maybe two heals on himselve that i posted. I was tired and angry and my OP came out skewed. I love playing my Cleric. I love playing all my toons. I am not trying to take away from the enjoyment of the game by telling people that they have to build a toon to suit one and one function only but I do lose enjoyment when I know that I'm not playing my toon to the fullest potential because I have to make up for someones lack of ability or ignorance.





Toons Crulax lvl20 Cleric, Lakanthia lvl13 Fighter, Erraka lvl5 Bard

[Dunklerlindwurm]

Thats just wrong.
Clerics and FvSs are not just "Healers" the spells and abilitys they have can do much more than that.
If you use them for healing alone you just throw away alot of their power.

[REALb0r3d]

Let the flaming begin.

[Visty]

clerics/souls get a 3/4 bab
they are as much fighters as rogues and bards

[Daggaz]

Why dont you try actually reading the forums before espousing your opinions here as facts.

Your post is made of fail.

[MoisleyMassacre]

yay healbot clerics!!

[FluffyCalico]

clerics/souls get a 3/4 bab

While this is true on the surface they don't get rage or power surge, their level ups aren't going into str, they aren't taking all the weapon focus or kensai enhancements, they can't get 70str like a barb. In short while they should be only at -5bab and then at -0 once they use their bab spell the truth is even after it they are still about -15 or -20 to hit vs a barb or kensai fighter. They do however have a nice set of offensive spells they can dish out damage with if they choose to.

[ExarKun77]

Though i understand the post (aka Clerics are not front line fighters most of the time),
I don't agree at all with your title (aka clerics are not just healers).

[FuzzyDuck81]

at low levels they're totally viable in melee & with the limited SP pool just standing back & casting is boring and will mean fights take longer, but unfortunately with less experienced players that can tend to lead to bad habits as people will be thinking "oh hey i can melee ok" but be less effective at it & in considerably more danger later on when their healing skills & other spells are really needed.

[TWDiggs1980]

So I have been playing my lowbie bard here recently and it seems that every other cleric I run across in a pug trys to tank. Clerics are a support class people not up front fighters. I know you probably thought hey a warpriest thats a pretty good build in pen and paper but in DDO they suck. Pen and paper D&D isn't the same your DM isn't throwing you up against most of the mobs your are going to face in DDO and if they are I would punch them in the face and pull my char.





Toons Crulax lvl20 Cleric, Lakanthia lvl13 Fighter, Erraka lvl5 Bard

Support spells weather offensive, buffs, crowd control, and healing are what clerics are about not running up into the middle of the mob and trying to tank.

[Visty]

While this is true on the surface they don't get rage or power surge, their level ups aren't going into str, they aren't taking all the weapon focus or kensai enhancements, they can't get 70str like a barb. In short while they should be only at -5bab and then at -0 once they use their bab spell the truth is even after it they are still about -15 or -20 to hit vs a barb or kensai fighter. They do however have a nice set of offensive spells they can dish out damage with if they choose to.

battleclerics indeed put their levelups into str
also they get divine favor, divine might, recitation and all the other buffs

[Visty]

Support spells weather offensive, buffs, crowd control, and healing are what clerics are about not running up into the middle of the mob and trying to tank.

just cause you say so doesnt mean its true

its actual the opposite

[TWDiggs1980]

Though i understand the post (aka Clerics are not front line fighters most of the time),
I don't agree at all with your title (aka clerics are not just healers).

Your absolutely right the thread title should read support characters and not tanks. Oh well live and learn.

[Khurnok]

I've played pen and paper and on the server..one thing many forget is "THIS IS A GAME" if you want a wizard to be able to fight...DO IT...if you want a Fighter that runs away from battle and throws daggers all day...DO IT. because the main point of the game is HAVE FUN.

Now there are those who will yell at me for this..but none of the players on here are earning/winning money so if your FREE character dies because someone isn't fitting the role you wanted them to..remember that IT IS THEIR CHARACTER. You don't have to play with them and vise versa. Maybe next time when your making a group, you might want to ask the team what their concept is BEFORE going into a quest.

Clerics are NOT just Healers, if they were..it would be the only spells they had. If you don't know how to defend yourself and all you expect your team member to do is heal...maybe you should BUY POTIONS or get closer to your God so you'll be blessed with the power and heal yourself.

ROGUES ARE NOT JUST TRAPBUSTERS OR ASSASSINS....a player can be imaginative and come up with much better ideas...it is just those who are close minded or don't care about other people's right to create their own character builds (some people act as if.. MY BUILD IS THE GREATEST and all others must support me) who place only those two roles on those classes.

And to a Rogue the best way to find a trap??? Send one of those overeager fighters charging down the hall...."OOPS FOUND A TRAP, NO POINT IN CALLING THE CLERIC...HE'S DEAD"

[Daggaz]

1. Click "search"
2. Click "cleric forums"
3. Type "Sirgog Cleric Catalogue 2010"
4. Click "enter"
5. Read, especially the Cleric18/Fighter2 build.
6. ??? (probably comprehend)
7. Profit by not posting neg-repped, one-sided, quantifiably false opinions all over the forums.

[Fafnir]

Different cleric builds can do different things. There is a need for clerics who are built as excellent healers, with other skills, but not all clerics need to be so. The OP sounds like he didn't get the cleric type he needed for his particular party.

[Beld]

Ppl wanting clerics/FvS to be nannybots is why pugging sucks so bad.

[TWDiggs1980]

I've played pen and paper and on the server..one thing many forget is "THIS IS A GAME" if you want a wizard to be able to fight...DO IT...if you want a Fighter that runs away from battle and throws daggers all day...DO IT. because the main point of the game is HAVE FUN.

Now there are those who will yell at me for this..but none of the players on here are earning/winning money so if your FREE character dies because someone isn't fitting the role you wanted them to..remember that IT IS THEIR CHARACTER. You don't have to play with them and vise versa. Maybe next time when your making a group, you might want to ask the team what their concept is BEFORE going into a quest.

Clerics are NOT just Healers, if they were..it would be the only spells they had. If you don't know how to defend yourself and all you expect your team member to do is heal...maybe you should BUY POTIONS or get closer to your God so you'll be blessed with the power and heal yourself.

ROGUES ARE NOT JUST TRAPBUSTERS OR ASSASSINS....a player can be imaginative and come up with much better ideas...it is just those who are close minded or don't care about other people's right to create their own character builds (some people act as if.. MY BUILD IS THE GREATEST and all others must support me) who place only those two roles on those classes.

And to a Rogue the best way to find a trap??? Send one of those overeager fighters charging down the hall...."OOPS FOUND A TRAP, NO POINT IN CALLING THE CLERIC...HE'S DEAD"

Thats my favorite way to find traps on my fighter lol. And I should have stated that clerics are a support class in the thread title not healers but live and learn.

[Beld]

Thats my favorite way to find traps on my fighter lol. And I should have stated that clerics are a support class in the thread title not healers but live and learn.

Clerics are one of the most powerful classes in the game and can/have solo'd a majority of the content, fighters/barbs need clerics, not the other way around most times.

[GhoulsTouch]

There are poor builds that can't fight and cast, the OP must have made one of them...