Helpless Better Mean HELPLESS

[Aspenor]

When any stat goes to zero, a monster (and PC) should be helpless. Helpless means:

Unable to move, attack, or take any actions. Helpless characters are automatically critically hit.

Anything less than this is poor design.

PS - while you're at it, take off the ridiculously high amounts of HP arbitrarily added on to monsters. Giants with 5000+ hit points are poor and lazy design meant to give the illusion of a challenge.

[Samadhi]

When any stat goes to zero, a monster (and PC) should be helpless. Helpless means:

Unable to move, attack, or take any actions. Helpless characters are automatically critically hit.

Anything less than this is poor design.

PS - while you're at it, take off the ridiculously high amounts of HP arbitrarily added on to monsters. Giants with 5000+ hit points are poor and lazy design meant to give the illusion of a challenge.

If they dont change the HP in quests like Prey, I don't even know how to describe how little that quest will ever get run.

[Aspenor]

If they dont change the HP in quests like Prey, I don't even know how to describe how little that quest will ever get run.

As I stated, poor and lazy design meant to give the illusion of a challenge.

[FluffyCalico]

If they dont change the HP in quests like Prey, I don't even know how to describe how little that quest will ever get run.

Groups of newbs with NO w/p run this quest all the time and manage to do it. If they can I sure hope the power gammers could keep up with the newbs without their fancy toys.

[Aspenor]

Groups of newbs with NO w/p run this quest all the time and manage to do it. If they can I sure hope the power gammers could keep up with the newbs without their fancy toys.

Instead, they use regular puncturing weapons.

[akla_thornfist]

it will take longer to finish now but i run for speed, slowing us down is not the answer. after you have run a quest 20 times you want to get it done as fast as possible imho.

[BRINKS]

paralyzed/stoned/held mobs still move around...it seems unlikely that helpless mobs will be any different if they decided to implement the change you are suggesting. Their movement would merely be partially restricted. I do agree that a helpless mob/toon should be actually helpless. It would decrease the amount of soloing and increase the pool of volunteers for LFM's.

[MrCow]

If they dont change the HP in quests like Prey, I don't even know how to describe how little that quest will ever get run.

With the way the quest is run on a knowledgeable group you kill 1-3 frost wolves, 1 frost giant cleric, 1 red-named frost giant, and 4+ other frost giants in the end room. The barrier of that quest isn't really the HP of the giants as they are mostly bypassed.

[ArkoHighStar]

Red named bosses can now be affected by up to 10 points of ability damage in each ability score, this cannot drop them below 1 in an ability score.

I thought this was interesting as well, drop the named boses by 10 str and 10 con, and they becomes a little easier to kill.
I guess this is our consolation prize for the nerf.

[sirgog]

I thought this was interesting as well, drop the named boses by 10 str and 10 con, and they becomes a little easier to kill.
I guess this is our consolation prize for the nerf.

10 Str and 10 Dex (if mob AC increases) will be the big ones.

[Kintro]

# Ability damage now regenerates at a rate of 1 point of each ability score per minute.

I'm assuming that means enemies too. So if we stat damage something to 0 and move on it may regen and not be auto-crit by the time the DPS gets to it. It also means we'll have to be constantly "topping up" the -10 to stats on red names and losing a significant amount of DPS.

Being reduced to 0 constitution will no longer kill players or monsters. They will be stunned for a short period of time and then behave as if they had been reduced to 0 in any other ability score.

Since they can stun them for a "short period of time" they should be able to stun them indefinitely or reuse the "helpless" state of the trolls in Atraxia's when you fight them with the wrong weapons to emulate the helpless state. Of course then they'd regen 1 point of str and hit me just as hard as they did in the first place.

EDIT: Dare I say 0 stat = Feared?

[QuantumFX]

I do agree with the sentement here. When a mob reaches zero in a stat it should be pinned to the floor prone taking crit after crit after crit. Anything else is cheese.

[Nevthial]

When any stat goes to zero, a monster (and PC) should be helpless. Helpless means:

Unable to move, attack, or take any actions. Helpless characters are automatically critically hit.

I'm with you on this 100%

[AussieEngineer]

Look out for the living spells that previously were enfeebled and left disabled.

Those suckers are only going to be out of action for a minute or so now.

[Nick_RC]

Has anyone dpsed the giants in prey and sorjek recently? (I.e twinked to the gills having run shroud a gazillion times). They really dont die that much slower. Id say a 2 to one ratio maybe?

I ran sorjek and used dps the whole way with a full group - it wasnt nearly as bad as alot make out....I must admit it was a high dps group tho.

Same goes for orthons/devils in the subterrane. Same goes with the hound on elite. Dps aint much slower. Dont beleive me try it next time. Especially those top guilds out there. And if ur not a dps toon u can still bust out the vorpal.

If you dont agree with me think about it this way. All the melees are getting significant bonuses to dps nex mod. If we go back there they will die even faster to dps than now. Hopefully they will give the monsters in future mods fewer hp to help the casual gamer.

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[QuantumFX]

Look out for the living spells that previously were enfeebled and left disabled.

Those suckers are only going to be out of action for a minute or so now.

Well I do know that in Mod 8 after a minute beholders go back to full STR and get the use of their eyestalks back.

[Borror0]

Giants with 5000+ hit points are poor and lazy design meant to give the illusion of a challenge.

I tend to agree that "more mobs" sounds better than "higher HP mobs".

[Aranticus]

When any stat goes to zero, a monster (and PC) should be helpless. Helpless means:

Unable to move, attack, or take any actions. Helpless characters are automatically critically hit.

Anything less than this is poor design.

PS - while you're at it, take off the ridiculously high amounts of HP arbitrarily added on to monsters. Giants with 5000+ hit points are poor and lazy design meant to give the illusion of a challenge.

/signed

str 0 devils in vod do 15 damage minimum. cheese tactics....

[QuantumFX]

I tend to agree that "more mobs" sounds better than "higher HP mobs".

It works in the Korthos island quests. (I'm referring to the # of mobs you see when the difficulty scales up.)

[Ganidel]

Consider wop still makes them have less hp over all, and it lowers there fort saves making it easyer for casters to stone/Fod/Wail, plus if you get them to 0 con its crits any ways.

Its not as grim as it seems, wop just arent beat all end all now, and yes I have some.

And Trans realy wont hurt that much, your only realy losing 2 types(Three types: Pierce Slash and Bludgeon).
You only realy need bludgeon for skelies, and slash for wraiths and ghost types, I forget what you need for construct.

Yes you lose PG, Lawful, Chaotic, Evil, you dont realy need evil/chaotic unless your runing Devils, and you can get PG/holy pretty easy as you have to have one type to make min II, and I dont know anything you realy have to have lawful for to penetrate dr, beside maybe in devils.


As to weakening the living in kobold, just have one person weaken, and by the time there down that far that person will have all aggro, and they just hang out away from the boss, and if the fire storms un-weaken re-weaken, and if they die re-weaken.