Epic Destinies

[Algulcz]

Yah, I wasn't impressed with that either. However, if it's one of the freebie granted things, no biggie, it could have its uses.

it's Legendary Dreadnaught's Epic Moment so I assume it will be at the top somewhere. Something like capstone.
But I don't want to sound too negative, because I am intrigued by he rest.

[danotmano1998]

Brings new meaning to the old phrase:

"Watch it or I'll knock you into next week!"

Literally.

[Vilhelm_der_Toller]

[QUOTE=MadFloyd;4436328]

The level 20+ character with no available destinies will be able to select a starting destiny from one of 10. If they have at least 6 levels in a class, they can select the destiny associated with that class. If they have at least 18 levels in a class they can select any destiny adjacent to that class but within the same sphere as well.
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Would this be for current life or for any past life for a TR?

If all past live, I can see doing 4 lives up to 18 before focusing on Epic leveling. This would give access to all of the destinies from each of the spheres without having to worry about crossing points.

[rimble]

Characters that are level 21 or higher may select Epic or Heroic feats as their level 21 and 24 feat selections.

Will Rogues, Fighters, Wizards...those types of bonus Feat classes get even more bonus Feats?

[MadFloyd]

Say we get to level 23, then TR, when we get to level 20 again, we are automagically level 23 for epic destinies? That is how I am reading it, but reading is hard.

No, you're still level 20, but you now have access to your previous Epic Destinies. However, some abilities may not be useable since you don't meet the prereq (e.g. min level 23).

[voodoogroves]

Pardon the crappy formatting:

At each epic level you gain the following bonuses:

Level/ HP/Saves/ BAB/ Feats/ Ability Increases
21/+10/ -/ +1/ Feat
22/+10/ +1/ -/
23/+10/ -/ +1/
24/+10/ +1/ -/ Feat/ Ability Increase
25/+10/ -/ +1

Characters that are level 21 or higher may select Epic or Heroic feats as their level 21 and 24 feat selections.

In PNP BAB doesn't increase after level 20 as it generates more attacks. The mechanics of attacks and BAB are different in DDO however ...

Will epic BAB in DDO have an increase in attack rate?

[Nick_RC]

Looks great especially if it allows interesting multi classing to become viable again - battlemages(!) etc.


Hey 2 quick questions while the devs are looking;

1. How much xp does each destiny level cost? Is it like going from 18-20 on a TR2? More? Less?

2. If this is all as powerful as it sounds could we revisit the completionist costs a feat - +2 skills and stats starts to get less attractive when we can punch people into the future - why bother!? (You can ignore this one just a personal pet peeve of mine)

N

[LeLoric]

Looks great especially if it allows interesting multi classing to become viable again - battlemages(!) etc.


Hey 2 quick questions while the devs are looking;

1. How much xp does each destiny level cost? Is it like going from 18-20 on a TR2? More? Less?

2. If this is all as powerful as it sounds could we revisit the completionist costs a feat - +2 skills and stats starts to get less attractive when we can punch people into the future - why bother!? (You can ignore this one just a personal pet peeve of mine)

N

Or give it a boost if you have maxed out all the epic destinies.

Be the uber completionist and get +5 to all stats and skills.

[Krell]

I'm assuming the same power leveling XP penalties apply, but it doesn't hurt to ask. For example, will a level 20 be penalized with a level 25 in the group?

[LeLoric]

No, you're still level 20, but you now have access to your previous Epic Destinies. However, some abilities may not be useable since you don't meet the prereq (e.g. min level 23).

Oh so why we dont have to earn the xp for the destinies each tr we still have to level from 20-25 for normal leveling purposes. Guess I should hammer my tr's right now then while less grind.

[Captain_Wizbang]

• Epic Destiny at level 20.

I love the whole concept and the way you all have approached this.

Back in December, I made a thread with some thoughts on lvl 20 & beyond, http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=353541 and what you have come up with is spot on.

Can't wait for the release.

Epic Destinies is going to be one of the best additions to this game we've seen and been waiting for.

[Cyr]

No, you're still level 20, but you now have access to your previous Epic Destinies. However, some abilities may not be useable since you don't meet the prereq (e.g. min level 23).

So we lose epic xp, but not epic destiny xp?

Oh can we change what our twist of fate applies to easily, as in talk to some guy in town and good to go?

[voodoogroves]

Epic Destinies have their own experience bar and level up independently from your actual epic levels. The two bars will advance in parallel.

If you unlock other epic destinies, are they on a shared bar or are their multiple bars?

[Zyerz]

Would I have to TR my toons a few more lifes to unlock more destinies, or will TR'd toons before get some advantage over this? I have a toon I really dont want to TR anymore, would I have to TR him a couple of lifes more to gain extra epic destiny tiers?

[Qezuzu]

I know it's too soon to judge, but I don't like this at all. 25%melee dmg is not epic, trying to stack it in 10s would be near impossible, especially if I have to make the final blow. Kill-stealing can become problem. And it can stack 100 times? Where can we fight that many mobs that can be killed in 10s from each other?

The duration resets with each kill.

100 stacks, i.e. 25x damage, would be balls of fun in places like Elite Weapons Shipment.

[MrkGrismer]

It sounds like destinies are on a different xp scale from the actual leveling. Although if you run epic quests, the amount of xp you gain is equal in both categories- destinies category and leveling category. It sounded like if you run heroic quests, you still get xp for epic levels, although perhaps at a reduced rate.

That's how I read it also, although not-so-much at a reduced rate as epic dungeons simply give more xp (period).

But if we are reading it correctly and you can level your character up to level 25 and level your first epic destiny up to level 5 (max) and then level your second epic destiny up to level 5 and then level your third epic destiny up to 5 and then ... (progression) ... level your tenth epic desiny up to level 5, and then hopefully they have more epic destinies... that would go a long way in my book towards keeping me playing my characters as the main reason I stop playing each character at level 20 is because there is no more leveling.

Yes, I understand that you can swap to different destinies before maxing it (kind of like the human 'character with two classes' in first edition).

I like, I like very much.

[sacredguyver]

Whether this image is a mock-up or not, it looks great and feels appropriate. I hope it stays the same (or there are very minor changes).

[Monkey-Boy]

Oh so why we dont have to earn the xp for the destinies each tr we still have to level from 20-25 for normal leveling purposes. Guess I should hammer my tr's right now then while less grind.

yeah, I could be wrong but there doesn't seem like there's much point in take levels 21-25 unless you're done with all your TRs.

Eladrin or Madfloyd, am I wrong? How much XP is this going to cost?

[Cauthey]

Pardon the crappy formatting:

At each epic level you gain the following bonuses:

Level   HP   Saves   BAB   Feats   Ability Increases
21     +10      -    +1    +Feat           -
22     +10     +1     -       -            -
23     +10      -    +1       -            -
24     +10     +1     -    +Feat   +Ability Increase
25     +10      -    +1       -            -

Characters that are level 21 or higher may select Epic or Heroic feats as their level 21 and 24 feat selections.

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[maddmatt70]

Is there going to be epic feats?