Ban the Exploiters

[cdr]

A glorious non-statement. Even better than expected.

[Slam]

Or they could just enable trading of these items and everyone would be happy. Except those who think people should pass their loot rather than keep it for a TR or alt. I think open trading in these items would be good for the game.

I think this is a good idea. This would put everyone on an even playing field. What's more, it would penalize the people who took part early, since one could assume that with a wider audience trading, prices would go down...

Also, it would fix some of the existing issues with the #@$! epic loot system.

[Thrudh]

A glorious non-statement. Even better than expected.

He did very clearly say it was an "EXPLOIT".

Very clear.

Exploit at your own risk.

All they really need to do is publically perma-ban 10 people, and 90% of people who exploited this time will not do it next time.

[umeannothing]

We are aware of an issue where players can trade items that are normally restricted. We will be fixing this in the future, but in the meantime, please do not engage in this exploit. Players caught may face disciplinary action.

Also, just a reminder, we do not allow players to explain how exploits are done on our community sites. It's okay to vent frustration within the community guidelines, or discuss this topic in a way that does not provide detail about how an exploit is done, but if you do discuss exploit details or disciplinary action taken against you or others, you may face additional disciplinary action.

Thanks for your cooperation and understanding.

Thank you Cord, very much for popping in and letting us know what not to say, and also, please forward my heartfelt appreciation up the chain of command to whomever made the decision to allow the thread to stay open for discussion.

Much appreciation to all of you for this.

[Siftrant]

We are aware of an issue where players can trade items that are normally restricted. We will be fixing this in the future, but in the meantime, please do not engage in this exploit. Players caught may face disciplinary action.

What they might get another 3-day break for a backpack now full of epic items? Of course they had to empty it of the all the +3 tomes they got from the last exploit that you gave them 3-days off. Really? Do you think the DDO community actually believes you will do anything with any meaning in relation to this? Hell I got banned longer for NOT exploiting in the first Mabar event than these guys did for doing this.

To put a fine point on it -- your threat here is viewed as a joke by every single one of the exploiters because they know and have experience (because it is the same group of people that do each and every one of these exploits) that you will not do anything beyond a few day ban and then they get to come back and be uber.

[Postumus]

Exploit at your own risk.

Well that's the problem, right. The 'risk' vs. reward just isn't there for most folks.

I don't know about perma-ban though. But if they did perma-ban 10 exploiters per server, then hand out 2-4 week vacations for the rest and POSTED ALL THE NAMES of the exploiters and their guilds, that would probably make people think twice about the next one.

I wish there was some way they could inactivate the players accounts and have a wall of shame out by the harbor where the cheaters' toons were put in stocks and we could throw rotten veggies at them.

Score enough points or hit them in vital enough areas, the loot/cash they exploited would drop and you could pick it up.

Maybe it could be the next Cannith challenge?

[~sumptingwong]

Sometimes people don't know if they are exploiting or not. Some of the "exploits" (tactics) I heard of just seemed like a smart ideas.

[Chantelune]

I didn't read ALL 18 pages, but a LOT of them and here my considerations.

This bug where in Lammania before it saw light on live servers like the previous bug and Turbine was aware of them before the release date. For what I know this bug is the forth in order of appearance that Turbine didn't do anything in order to prevent future exploits. So, after 2 patches and not corrected I really saw people thinking this is not a bug but worked as intended...

To the other side I saw a LOT of people loosing items from shared or reincarnated bank and clearly Turbine support system never returned them. Moreover I saw a LOT of time wipes due to lag or boss exploits. I saw a LOT of time no reward for a lot of effort (6 consecutive Tod, in elite too and not a single ring saw in that **** chests or like the recent bug in wich a 20th completition, something like 2 months of grinding and expectations for an item and only 2-3 useless items in that reward and nothing said by Turbine about this...)

And I can continue with tons of other bugs or exploits by raid bosses that ended in a loss of time and expectations for 12 people...

I saw people returned to the game after some monthes they said bb cause near 2 years grinding a quest is not enought for Turbine idea about what a character should have... (I reached 103 completions with my main alt in various lifes and never found a red helm...).
Finally someone can have what searched so long and is this a fault? Sorry but I can understand those people using this "exploit" about something so hard to find that had to be unbound from start (or a better drop rate) and anyway announced so near a year ago by Devs...

So now we have near all endgamers that used this exploit (even those that decided not to use previous ones but at the end said "f..k all, I nerded too much this game to don't have a f...g item and Turbine don't do anything about exploiters")...

I'd like to remember that nothing new was created as in the previous bug/exploit but everything was in those backpacks because someone grinded, played and lost time so much that someone other can benefit of this!

I heard a lots of ideas in how to punish guilty and sincerely nothing is good:
-ban all exploiters. So we can definitevely say bb to DDO as half servers will be banned and the half left will not have people to full an lfm (or there will not be an lfm at all, as endgamers are those that creates lfms).
-delete all epic items or those involved in exploit (not exploits parts included). Like to say You have to grind 2 years more...)
-the absurd idea to ban 10% of them to intimidate the others? Where are we? Are We in Dark ages where 10% of those that fleed a battle were killed?
Come on, lets stay serious and say what we need.

WE NEED TURBINE BECOME MORE SERIOUS ABOUT FUTURE ANNOUNCMENTS, BUGS, RELEASE NOTES SO WE CAN TRUST IN TURBINE AGAIN.

An official announcment about this bug (instead to delete any tread about it except this) and a public mea culpa about so many bugs (this included) and an iron fist about future ones.

Sorry for my english.

Sincerely, a DDO lover.

You're my hero Claymo .

[totalmir]

These days you are more of a tr player well think of it this way say the next exploit was that somebody could pick up the completionist feat without having qualified for it

This.The ultimate argument imo.

[jwdaniels]

This.The ultimate argument imo.

Not sure what the TR/ completionist was in reference to, but again I ask how it affects me in any way if someone else has the completionist feat without having capped every class?

[NaturalHazard]

Not sure what the TR/ completionist was in reference to, but again I ask how it affects me in any way if someone else has the completionist feat without having capped every class?

apparrently it will make all your acheivements in game seem pointless, and make you jelous, ruin your fun and make you lose the will to live!!!!

[Eladiun]

All they really need to do is publically perma-ban 10 people, and 90% of people who exploited this time will not do it next time.

Great idea, maybe they can have a raffle to determine the 10 unlucky ones.

[mudfud]

I just hope "in the future" isn't like how you are going to fix ladder hitching "in the future".

I was thinking more like.....uh....TUESDAY.

I read where they explained ladder hitching. It's not a 1 fix for all ladders, It's an individual fix per ladder that's reported. If you still see those report them and give them the /loc of the ladder also so maybe they can one day be actually fixed.

Players caught may face disciplinary action.

Also, just a reminder, we do not allow players to explain how exploits are done on our community sites. It's okay to vent frustration within the community guidelines, or discuss this topic in a way that does not provide detail about how an exploit is done, but if you do discuss exploit details or disciplinary action taken against you or others, you may face additional disciplinary action.

Thanks for your cooperation and understanding.

Since you mentioned players getting caught. Does this mean that there might finally be finality and return of stuff for all the people who lost "stuff" in the shared bank that's been going on for years?

[Dandonk]

I read where they explained ladder hitching. It's not a 1 fix for all ladders, It's an individual fix per ladder that's reported. If you still see those report them and give them the /loc of the ladder also so maybe they can one day be actually fixed.

Move two steps.

/loc /report

Move four steps.

/loc /report

Move three steps.

/loc /report

Move seven steps.

/loc /report

...

[cdr]

I read where they explained ladder hitching. It's not a 1 fix for all ladders, It's an individual fix per ladder that's reported. If you still see those report them and give them the /loc of the ladder also so maybe they can one day be actually fixed.

I never bought that; I'm not sure there's a ladder in the game that I haven't gotten stuck on.

[Qaliya]

Actions speak louder than words.

People show what they consider important by their priorities.

Turbine's words say that they don't want people to use the exploit, but their actions say that they don't consider rule-following to be particularly important.

I will never knowing use an exploit, but frankly Turbine has made me look like a fool for having tried to argue in favor of following the rules. As long as they don't even care enough about the rules to enforce them, I won't waste my time sticking up for them.

[gloopygloop]

Great idea, maybe they can have a raffle to determine the 10 unlucky ones.

Not valid outside the United States and not valid in Puerto Rico, the US Virgin Islands or Guam.

[mudfud]

I never bought that; I'm not sure there's a ladder in the game that I haven't gotten stuck on.

Oh I know I didn't either. But just imagine if everyone started submitting reports for thousands of ladders a day how soon that might be fixed or figured out what's wrong.

[mudfud]

Not valid outside the United States and not valid in Puerto Rico, the US Virgin Islands or Guam.

LoL Only valid in Canada more like, since they unlucky like that.

[Kaytis]

I never bought that; I'm not sure there's a ladder in the game that I haven't gotten stuck on.

I get stuck on guild airship ladders. A lot.