Traps doing redonkulous damage on elite.

[Calebro]

From another thread:
I think this bears posting again here.

But it kind of strikes me funny that it is the Premium players ... are asking for that very thing, reward for past loyalty and support

We're not asking for rewards for past loyalty. We're asking to not be excluded from a game mechanic based on our payment option.
Not being able to open hard or elite before was annoying, but acceptable.
Not being able to open hard or elite after the Bravery Bonus goes live will effectively be punishment for choosing a certain payment option.

We should not be punished because we chose to purchase the game rather than renting it.

[Missing_Minds]

I guess this all depends on your perspective, but don't VIPs already get 20% more XP than non-VIPs (if you consider the fact that they get enough store points to keep themselves loaded up on XP potions)?

No they do not. That assumes that VIP spend points on xp pots and nothing but that. That is a fallacy.

FYI, I'm still vip. You know how many xp pots I've bought? Maybe once, and that was when they were on sale.

[Aelonwy]

Consider: Allow a true reincarnated character to open a quest at whatever difficulty their previous life had successfully completed.

If you want to go with the "past memories" precedent and keep a stronger "VIP perk", then at least let a true reincarnate open a quest on hard that they had completed the life before on elite. "You remember something about this cave from your past life..."

This has the benefit of encouraging more elite runs, life after life.

Now that is a very interesting idea...

[MadFloyd]

lol MF what world do you play in? How many store points does you VIP subscription get you? With the promotion on right now I could get not even 3 major xp potions. I like to play many different characters if I keep them all on 20% XP potions I am buying extra turbine points and lots of them.

Did I mention I get free points? :-) Didn't even consider multiple characters. My bad.

[VonBek]

We are looking into letting characters who TR get access though - as someone suggested earlier in this thread.

After many years, I finally have one character ready for TR. I like to get my quest journal as complete as possible, though I may not enjoy all quests equally. I would like to run my eventual TR through some quests directly on Elite, rather than scrabbling through N/H to get to elite, every time. When a quest is, subjectively, "just right" the repetition is fine. However, there are some challenges that are fine when run once, but lose enjoyment with repetition.

Thanks for considering the idea; it is appreciated.

[Glenalth]

I like the TRs opening hard concept.

[mystafyi]

Well, as it happens we won't be giving everyone the ability to open on Elite, so it remains a VIP perk for the time being.

We are looking into letting characters who TR get access though - as someone suggested earlier in this thread.

With no reason to be vip you will lose whats left of your recurring revenue stream. Your bean counters already have shut down the old 50% off sales in addition to raising the TP costs of many items.

[Schmoe]

I like the TRs opening hard concept.

Yeah, I agree, this seems like the most reasonable compromise I've read so far.

[Aaxeyu]

I guess this all depends on your perspective, but don't VIPs already get 20% more XP than non-VIPs (if you consider the fact that they get enough store points to keep themselves loaded up on XP potions)?

The real problem is that the current elite unlocks are waaay to expensive to be considered anything other than situational, and XP pots isn't.
Provide an afforable way for premiums to unlock elite and everyone will be happy.

[Isolani]

I guess this all depends on your perspective, but don't VIPs already get 20% more XP than non-VIPs (if you consider the fact that they get enough store points to keep themselves loaded up on XP potions)?

Umm, xp pots aren't cheap, 500 pts a month buys you maybe 12 hours of 20% xp bonus. I play a lot more than 12 hours a month, and on more than 1 TR. Not complaining about the 500 TP, it's a nice perk, but it doesn't let you eat xp pots like tic-tacs the way you make it sound. I spend a lot of money on them beyond my 500 TP.

[mystafyi]

I guess this all depends on your perspective, but don't VIPs already get 20% more XP than non-VIPs (if you consider the fact that they get enough store points to keep themselves loaded up on XP potions)?

how does 500TP/month = "loaded up on XP potions"?

Let me break it down for you. 1 Major XP pot in the ddo store is 350TP. thats 6 hours of 20% xp boost. Even at a respectable 50k xp/hour thats only a total xp boost of 60k per month. A Paltry 3% boost over the course of a non-TR, and a whopping 1% gain over the life of a TR2.

that is not even close to the 20% gain you are claiming.

take some time and browse the prices on xp pots in the DDO Store then perhaps you can rethink your position and statements.

[SableShadow]

Did I mention I get free points? :-)

I hate all-powerful super beings ... who aren't me.

/grumbleGrumbleGrumble

[Solmage]

Well, as it happens we won't be giving everyone the ability to open on Elite, so it remains a VIP perk for the time being.

We are looking into letting characters who TR get access though - as someone suggested earlier in this thread.

I hope you realize this will severely displease the people paying monthly, and we WILL see this as a loss of our perk, regardless of whether you do or don't. Just so you aren't surprised at the reaction.

[muny21]

after reading through this thread i come across too many vips complaining that the elite unlock is their only perk and that premium players should not be able to achieve this. but i think the idea of trs opening elite is a fair compromise so that all trs can reap the extra xp bonus without having to rely on anyone. most people playing this game on a daily basis understands how hard it can be to find a group at times. you can sit by waiting for a good 30 mins to an hour for a group to fill. never mind trying to find a vip to come open a quest for you. another thing i hear vips complaining about is that they are the only ones putting money into this game and they deserve this that and the other to give them an advantage over premium members. but what all these vips fail to realize is that most premium members put more money into this game than vips. especially if they own all the packs. a premium member that bought all packs spent at least $100 just on packs alone. not to mention how much it costs for shared bank slots, monk, half-orc and etc. so a premium member that owns all classes, races, packs, and bank slots had to spend anywhere between $175-300. http://furlugedepot.com/2009/09/15/t...-free-to-play/ (prices are a bit outdated but just to give an idea) i am one of those premium members except the monk and half-elf are the only things i do not currently own. i have put in over $200 in this game, not including xp pots. in order for a vip to equal that amount they must have been a subsrciber for more than two years. just cause you recently purchased your vip sub for $10 a month does not mean you deserve more of an advantage than a premium user. the 500 free points every month, access to all content, shared banks, 10 character slots and early access to new content should be enough. to the dev madfloyd, i am really pleased with the idea of trs gaining the ability to open elite and really hope you guys implement this feature and do not forget that premium members also support this great game with our hard earned money as well. thank you.

[mystafyi]

but what all these vips fail to realize is that most premium members put more money into this game than vips.

Totally Subjective view. Probably wrong since folks willing to pay 9.99/month are probably going to spend more then folks concerned about saving pennies by being F2P or Premium. See how subjective I can be

in order for a vip to equal that amount they must have been a subsrciber for more than two years.

Can you post any hard data on this? No you cant. Cant you prove VIP's dont spend additional money on TP? No you cant.

just cause you recently purchased your vip sub for $10 a month does not mean you deserve more of an advantage than a premium user.

Yes it does.... money grants better access. always and forever.

[muny21]

Can you post any hard data on this? No you cant. Cant you prove VIP's dont spend additional money on TP? No you cant.

did post a link that shows the hard data. can you prove that vips spend more money on TP? no you can't. can you prove that premium members do not spend more than $10 a month on this game? no you can't. i was just showing the bare minimums and the bare minimums speak for themselves. as anyone can see. it cost more to "own" the game, premium members that bought all content, than it does to "rent" it, vips paying $10 a month. the renters fell they deserve more than the owners. it is laughable.

[mystafyi]

did post a link that shows the hard data.

your link shows no sales data. Pricing data has no relevance to the arguement over whether VIP or Premium spend more funds on DDO. Try again

[muny21]

your link shows no sales data. Pricing data has no relevance to the arguement over whether VIP or Premium spend more funds on DDO. Try again

i am sorry that you can't read. please learn then come back. the last column shows sales. and who is to say that all premium members caught those sales. i know myself i missed a couple. therefore, you try again.

[SilkofDrasnia]

after reading through this thread i come across too many vips complaining that the elite unlock is their only perk and that premium players should not be able to achieve this. but i think the idea of trs opening elite is a fair compromise so that all trs can reap the extra xp bonus without having to rely on anyone. most people playing this game on a daily basis understands how hard it can be to find a group at times. you can sit by waiting for a good 30 mins to an hour for a group to fill. never mind trying to find a vip to come open a quest for you. another thing i hear vips complaining about is that they are the only ones putting money into this game and they deserve this that and the other to give them an advantage over premium members. but what all these vips fail to realize is that most premium members put more money into this game than vips. especially if they own all the packs. a premium member that bought all packs spent at least $100 just on packs alone. not to mention how much it costs for shared bank slots, monk, half-orc and etc. so a premium member that owns all classes, races, packs, and bank slots had to spend anywhere between $175-300. http://furlugedepot.com/2009/09/15/t...-free-to-play/ (prices are a bit outdated but just to give an idea) i am one of those premium members except the monk and half-elf are the only things i do not currently own. i have put in over $200 in this game, not including xp pots. in order for a vip to equal that amount they must have been a subsrciber for more than two years. just cause you recently purchased your vip sub for $10 a month does not mean you deserve more of an advantage than a premium user. the 500 free points every month, access to all content, shared banks, 10 character slots and early access to new content should be enough. to the dev madfloyd, i am really pleased with the idea of trs gaining the ability to open elite and really hope you guys implement this feature and do not forget that premium members also support this great game with our hard earned money as well. thank you.

agree 100% letting tr open content on elite sounds like its a fair compromise. i'm surprised its even a subject of debate, the facts are simple and no hard data is needed as a a p2p game using the vip method the game was circling the drain and its US PREMIUM players that got it on its feet again ( ofc vip helped too but u see my point).

f2p dont put money into the game a have very limited play option and offer xtra bodies in game, premium pay quite alot if they unblock lots of content or account options like i have ( i don't bother with the whole favor grind i dont have time for it, if there a sale cool if not who care i'm not gonna wait in case maybe in 3 months what i want in the store may be on sale) VIP offer steadier income but tis just not enough .

so the whole well i pay every month so i'm special n deserve more is just laughable, again no hardcore evidence is needed other than looking at the state of the game before it went f2p/premium/vip and after.
money talks

[Hollowgolem]

I hope you realize this will severely displease the people paying monthly, and we WILL see this as a loss of our perk, regardless of whether you do or don't. Just so you aren't surprised at the reaction.

Only for TR's (played predominantly by VIPs anyway)? Really?

I certainly hope you don't presume to speak for -all- VIPs.