Khopesh or Rapier: Which is better for an Assassin Rogue

[Kmnh]

I'm playing that build right now, it's my main character.

I like kensei more than shintao, the 2 extra action boosts are worth more than the 2 extra damage, at the least on elite raids and the longer epics.

Is there any set that adds more than assassin? +5 damage is a lot!


People grind raids over and over for a 1% chance at +4 tomes, so they can deal 1 more point of damage. +17 dps is a lot.

[brzytki]

I'm playing that build right now, it's my main character.

I like kensei more than shintao, the 2 extra action boosts are worth more than the 2 extra damage, at the least on elite raids and the longer epics.

Is there any set that adds more than assassin? +5 damage is a lot!


People grind raids over and over for a 1% chance at +4 tomes, so they can deal 1 more point of damage. +17 dps is a lot.

I'm not saying it's a bad choice of gear. I'm just saying it's not really the best.

As for Kensai/Shintao comparison u made, I agree that extra action boosts are my choice too.

Assassin set, ah! So u still believe that +5 damage stacks? If u have Tharne's Goggles (+5 to hit/+8 to SA dmg), all u get from Assassins set is +2 exceptional to-hit to SA (if it stacks with Kensai set bonus, i know one is to-hit and the other is to SA but it's DDO - u can't be sure), -20% threat, slim chance to drain a lvl. Want a better set in that place, take FB. It gives +2 damage to ur base (muliplied on crits). Want the best set in that place, take Ravager. It adds 2d6 damage to every hit AND DoT damage (2d6 every 2 sec over 10 sec).

Don't know where that +17 dps comes from so can't comment on that.

[Therigar]

Assassin set, ah! So u still believe that +5 damage stacks?

This was the point concerning Assassin that I was trying to make.

Description implies that the +2/+5 stacks but reported evidence is that it does not -- that it doesn't even act as an exceptional bonus.

I recently decided to keep the belt side of this thinking it would be useful on TR and then did some research. Everything suggests that the bonuses are borked. It is easy to get better and w/o ML20 as well.

[Gumbolo]

Currently, I would place my bet on rapier for a simple reason, SA. Rapiers procs far more often radiances blinding effect and that would outweigh the small dps loss over the 'base dps' difference.

Sure people will say "but if you're awesome at playing rogue, you don't get aggro" well, sure thing but how ya prevent that? Only a 1-2 mobs avaible for beating up and both of em are aggroed at ya/nearly aggroed. Slowdown and wait others to re-stablish aggro? Keep attacking and hope for blinding effect/vorpal? On avg rapier users would've blinded em more commonly than khopesh users and wouldn't need to worry about losing SA.

[Bolo_Grubb]

just play what ya like

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7fbHOAbOcNI

[Kmnh]

Are you sure the assassin set is not working? My sneak attack damage averages to about 85, it should average to 80 without the set.

[brzytki]

Are you sure the assassin set is not working? My sneak attack damage averages to about 85, it should average to 80 without the set.

Unless there was a stealth-change in recent month, I'm sure of it.

[Kmnh]

One of the recent updates said "we fixed some of the tod sets" on the release notes...

I took the 17 dps from krud's post

[brzytki]

I went through release notes back to U7 where it was stated they changed archmage and shintao sets. U7 went live at the end of November 2010, so around 7,5 months ago. None of next updates said anything about ToD sets being changed. Didn't care to check pre-U7.

So i'll say again, unless it was stealth-changed in the recent updates, i'm pretty sure extra SA damage from assassins set doesn't stack.

[Kmnh]

I just tested at the vale rats. The to-hit is not stacking


I wonder why my sneak attacks are clearly doing more than 80.5 on average (17d6 = 59.5 +8 goggs +1 PL + 12 enhancements). Did I miss a bonus? or are the dice a bit loaded to help me?

I guess I'll have to get the ravager set for the little DoT

[krud]

I took the 17 dps from krud's post

It seems most people doing dps calcs in this thread come out somewhere between 10-20 dps in favor of the khopesh (apples to apples; same character, same feats, no racial bonuses. Only difference is rapier vs khopesh). When your character is getting upwards of 500 dps at cap that difference is hardly noticeable. Those big crit numbers with the khopesh might add some psychological benefit, but the overall effect on actual gameplay is negligible. You really can't go wrong with either weapon. The number crunchers will see the difference in the spreadsheets, but when killing mobs, you really won't notice much difference.

[LeLoric]

Lit II rapier/epic smallblade will outdps 2x lit II khopesh for a lev 20 assassin rog.

Same goes for Rad II rapier/epic smallbalde over Rad II/Lit II Khopesh.

This is without racial enhancements and with a 46 buffed str on a well geared rog.

Couple that with it's 2 more to hit on epic where to hit matters and for epic rapier/smallblade combo will often crush khopesh combos.

Add to that another feat available for something like rog pastlife or pally past life instead of khopesh for an even further dps gap and for anything other than hard or elite devil boss beating, you're better off piercing spec on a lev 20 rog assassin if you have an epic smallblade.

[Zachski]

Out of curiosity, what's the cheapest weapon types out there?

[delsoboss]

Uhm, daggers, sickles, handaxes and light hammers/maces i guess, as long as they don't have casting enhancing prefixes/suffixes.
Oh no sorry, i think darts are cheaper than eveything else.

[stoerm]

I've been seeing this in the list of feats a lot lately. What has changed with quickdraw that makes people think it is worth taking?

Maybe it is just me, but I seldom switch weapons in the midst of a fight. I grasp that there might be some advantage to changing weapons in some situations but I've never found mobs to be so tough that such tactics were needed.

It seems to me that for most players this will be a wasted feat.

I believe quickdraw reduces the timer on clickies, making them more effective. Haste boost is probably the most interesting one.

[Kmnh]

There was a thread about litII rapier + smallblade vs the 2 litII rapiers before, and the litIis were still quite a bit ahead. The litII proc adds a lot of damage. The smallblade is much cheaper than a second litII, though

[LeLoric]

There was a thread about litII rapier + smallblade vs the 2 litII rapiers before, and the litIis were still quite a bit ahead. The litII proc adds a lot of damage. The smallblade is much cheaper than a second litII, though

This is absolutely wrong.

http://forums.ddo.com/showpost.php?p...5&postcount=33

This gap is actually enough to pull even or ahead of twin lit II khopesh with the right gearset.

[Therigar]

Accepting for the moment that Lit II/Smallblade is best damage combo, wouldn't Lit II khopesh be ahead of Lit II rapier?

So, wouldn't Lit II khopesh/Smallblade be best damage?

Next question, what about DR -- especially in epic content? For something like Shroud normal (the typical loot/mats run) it doesn't mean much. Does it matter on any of the bosses when running elite or epic?

Reason for question is that DPS vs mobs is usually secondary to DPS vs bosses. If Lit II is losing too much to DR then shouldn't goal be "boss beater" of some type. Maybe Min II?

[Bufo_Alvarius]

This gap is actually enough to pull even or ahead of twin lit II khopesh with the right gearset.

Is this with devils ruin involved? Or just base item?

[LeLoric]

Is this with devils ruin involved? Or just base item?

The numbers I quoted are for 0% fort and 50% fort and 15/dr (normal devil raid bosses)

No devil's ruin is used in the calculations.