we need decrafting in shroud..

[havokiano]

I think many people want the option "decrafting" in shroud

[Khanyth]

I think many people want many different things when it comes to options. Some are good. Some are bad.

This is one of these:

[grodon9999]

I think many people want many different things when it comes to options. Some are good. Some are bad.

This is one of these:

Lowering grind is NOT and "easy" button. It's a "less boring" button. Running shroud 20 times to fix a mistake isn't hard, it's dull and time consuming.

GS deconstruction would be great, but its shouldn't come lightly.

[Cernunan]

Lowering grind is NOT and "easy" button. It's a "less boring" button. Running shroud 20 times to fix a mistake isn't hard, it's dull and time consuming.

GS deconstruction would be great, but its shouldn't come lightly.

Very well put

[bradleyforrest]

How about an option to deconstruct manufactured ingredient into raw ingredients and crafted items back into their manufactured ingredients (retaining their original age) if it's within 24 hours of their original crafting? This gives you an option to fix mistakes, but doesn't allow you to change it 2 weeks down the road when you realize that you wanted a Min II instead of Lit II.
I think that's a fair option that allows you to fix botched dual imbues, etc.

[Khanyth]

There's generally, from observation, 2 reasons why people want GS deconstruction:

1. People who screwed up their recipes, or
2. People who don't use an old GS item because it's "useless"


To answer #1: Suck it up buttercup. You shouldn't have to compensated by easy buttoning one of the best bang for your buck grinds in the game, for your lack of reading comprehension. There's plenty of accurate resources out there to make sure this doesn't happen. You screwed up. Deal with it.

To answer #2: The game changes. Abilities change. Characters change. Gear changes. It's life. Some gear was bugged so it gets nerfed. If you build a GS item to exploit/use a "bug" or unintentional game effect, you have to expect the nerf bat. If you have an awesome GS item that you have had for the past few years, you can't expect it to stay awesome for years to come. hell... I'm waiting for the day they nerf metaline. Again: the game shouldn't have to compensate you by easy buttoning one of the best bang for your buck grinds in the game, because everyone wants new stuff but doesn't want their old stuff to go "bad" or "useless"

[vrobel]

There's generally, from observation, 2 reasons why people want GS deconstruction:

1. People who screwed up their recipes, or
2. People who don't use an old GS item because it's "useless"


To answer #1: Suck it up buttercup. You shouldn't have to compensated by easy buttoning one of the best bang for your buck grinds in the game, for your lack of reading comprehension. There's plenty of accurate resources out there to make sure this doesn't happen. You screwed up. Deal with it.

To answer #2: The game changes. Abilities change. Characters change. Gear changes. It's life. Some gear was bugged so it gets nerfed. If you build a GS item to exploit/use a "bug" or unintentional game effect, you have to expect the nerf bat. If you have an awesome GS item that you have had for the past few years, you can't expect it to stay awesome for years to come. hell... I'm waiting for the day they nerf metaline. Again: the game shouldn't have to compensate you by easy buttoning one of the best bang for your buck grinds in the game, because everyone wants new stuff but doesn't want their old stuff to go "bad" or "useless"

/singed

[grodon9999]

There's generally, from observation, 2 reasons why people want GS deconstruction:

1. People who screwed up their recipes, or
2. People who don't use an old GS item because it's "useless"


To answer #1: Suck it up buttercup. You shouldn't have to compensated by easy buttoning one of the best bang for your buck grinds in the game, for your lack of reading comprehension. There's plenty of accurate resources out there to make sure this doesn't happen. You screwed up. Deal with it.

To answer #2: The game changes. Abilities change. Characters change. Gear changes. It's life. Some gear was bugged so it gets nerfed. If you build a GS item to exploit/use a "bug" or unintentional game effect, you have to expect the nerf bat. If you have an awesome GS item that you have had for the past few years, you can't expect it to stay awesome for years to come. hell... I'm waiting for the day they nerf metaline. Again: the game shouldn't have to compensate you by easy buttoning one of the best bang for your buck grinds in the game, because everyone wants new stuff but doesn't want their old stuff to go "bad" or "useless"

What part of you equates "less grind" with "easy?"

We already have alignment change, LR+5 hearts of wood, TR, and swappable slots on DT armor and epic items. This is no different.

[Khanyth]

What part of you equates "less grind" with "easy?"

Because grind is one of the biggest challenges in DDO crafting. To lessen the grind, makes it easier by default.

We already have alignment change, LR+5 hearts of wood, TR, and swappable slots on DT armor and epic items. This is no different.

Yes it is. None of those are grinds, save the DT armour (whose grind has been significantly reduced) and epics (which I really can't comment too much on, so I won't)

If you want deconstruction fine..... but it should have some >>>harsh<<< concequences and not "Oooopise me, I screwed up because I can't follow basic PHD (Press Here Dummy) instructions on how to tier my stuff/build my GS item.... Mommy and Daddy gave me their credit card, so lemme just buy and use some TP to buy one of those deconstuct things."

Concequences like: if you break down a GS item, you get... a festival twig or a lump of coal back. If you break down a tiered GS item, it goes back to a GS blank but you get no mats back... just the blank item. Lessen the harshness, by making that new blank sellable, so for those who made, say, as GS necklace, and now it is useless for their character, it can be sold to get some plat.

[grodon9999]

Because grind is one of the biggest challenges in DDO crafting. To lessen the grind, makes it easier by default.

That argument has to be the most illogical thing I've seen posted here in quite some time.

Grind = challenge?

I'm sorry, that does not compute. There is no challenge in running a level 16 quest over and over again with level 20 stocked with green steel and epic items.

[PopeJual]

If this is implemented, I'd REALLY like to see it only be possible in the Altar of Devastation because I don't want to wait for people to deconstruct their Greensteel in the middle of a shroud.

Crafting in the middle of a shroud is bad enough...

[Vellrad]

That argument has to be the most illogical thing I've seen posted here in quite some time.

Grind = challenge?

I'm sorry, that does not compute. There is no challenge in running a level 16 quest over and over again with level 20 stocked with green steel and epic items.

I think he meaned that it challenge to continue the same boring and long grind, without giving up.

[grodon9999]

I don't have an issue with this being a Store-purchasable item as I don't see it being different from an LR heart or an alignment change. As you said before, you still did the grind to get the ingredients in the first place, this is just fixing a mistake in a piece of craftable-gear. I don't see that as being any different than fixing a build using an LR heart.

If earnable in-game perfect place for this to drop would be epic devil's assault. It fits thematically and it's a pretty difficult quest.

[Drfirewater79]

If this is implemented, I'd REALLY like to see it only be possible in the Altar of Devastation because I don't want to wait for people to deconstruct their Greensteel in the middle of a shroud.

Crafting in the middle of a shroud is bad enough...

People craft in the middle of shroud????

that is silly .... i really hope that if people are planning to do that .. that they state it before you step in .. cause i for one would just leave the party if that was the case and form a smart party. Trust me if ONE person doesnt have a DR breaker or lighting strike .. its not gonna make that big a difference in the long run ... wait and craft your stuff at the end like everyone else.

[Samadhi]

IMO and easier to implement option would be:

Use cleansing stone + altar to change item to temp-BTA-then-BTEquip instead of BTC.

This would not be a solution to all issues (I combined stuff wrong and have a junk item) but would be an easy to implement partial solution for many of the reasons for this.

[Drfirewater79]

And I disagree with you about the crafting system, I like green steel because you can actually get what you want out of it with luck being a small factor. It's way better than the randomness that is epic.

There is no randomness in epic ... you get a scroll that has the item name .. you get a seal that has the item name .. you get a shard with the item name .. you get the item with the item name ...

you craft ..

you talk to the crafting control chick she says here are the colours you can buy ..

blue crystal property 1
blue crystal porperty 2
blue cyrstal poperty 3 ...
Green crystal property 1
Green crystal porperty 2
Green crystal property 3
Yellow crystal .....

you know what property it has by reading it .. .there is nothing random about it ... you never get a random porperty on your epic item everything is very detailed and straight forward.

I think you are thinking DT ... and DT is no longer random because you an see what properties are on the rune now.

[Chai]

I think the devs know some people want shroud item deconscruction already, likely from the elevendy bajillion other threads about the same topic floating around.

[Khanyth]

+1 rep. I hate a dirty taint.

Thank you.....

I can't think of anyone who doesn't hate a dirty taint.

[grodon9999]

Thank you.....

I can't think of anyone who doesn't hate a dirty taint.

Red Willow

[Khanyth]

Red Willow

I meant in RL... but I know whatcha mean