Update 7 Named Item thread

[SolarDawning]

Dodge bonuse to AC and misc. bonuses do stack in game. Always have. The only exceptions are two from the same source of a dodge bonus.

In DDO, dodge bonuses of the same numerical value do not stack. Dodge bonuses of differing numerical value do stack.

For example: Chattering Ring +3 dodge bonus and Dragontouched Armor Sovereign Rune Dodge +3 do not stack together.

[Absolute-Omniscience]

Dodge bonuse to AC and misc. bonuses do stack in game.

I echo what's already been said. Dodge bonues of the same value does not stack in ddo. Doesn't matter if it's from the same item or not.

[Calebro]

I echo what's already been said. Dodge bonues of the same value does not stack in ddo. Doesn't matter if it's from the same item or not.

Dodge bonuses of the same value will stack from different sources.
Generally speaking what you said is true, as most dodge bonuses come from items and therefore will not stack with an equal dodge bonus from a different item.
However, dodge bonuses of the same value, but from different sources, will indeed stack.

Consider:
Haste +1 dodge
Dodge Feat +1 dodge
Alchemical Ritual +1 dodge
All three are +1 dodge bonuses, but they all apply because they are from 3 different sources. One Feat, one spell, one item

It simply appears that no similar bonuses stack because different values than 1 are always on items, so they then won't stack with another item.
Hypothetically, if there were another source of dodge +2/+3/etc besides items, I'm certain that they would stack considering how dodge +1 works.

[Malithar45]

Dodge bonuses of the same value will stack from different sources.
Generally speaking what you said is true, as most dodge bonuses come from items and therefore will not stack with an equal dodge bonus from a different item.
However, dodge bonuses of the same value, but from different sources, will indeed stack.

Consider:
Haste +1 dodge
Dodge Feat +1 dodge
Alchemical Ritual +1 dodge
All three are +1 dodge bonuses, but they all apply because they are from 3 different sources. One Feat, one spell, one item

It simply appears that no similar bonuses stack because different values than 1 are always on items, so they then won't stack with another item.
Hypothetically, if there were another source of dodge +2/+3/etc besides items, I'm certain that they would stack considering how dodge +1 works.

If thats true, does that mean the +1 Dodge granted by the lvl 16 Cloak of Night will stack as a +1 dodge item bonus?

[Calebro]

If thats true, does that mean the +1 Dodge granted by the lvl 16 Cloak of Night will stack as a +1 dodge item bonus?

It will most certainly stack with the spell and the feat, but it won't stack with another item that has a dodge +1 bonus.
The alchemical ritual is something that I would have to test to be certain, but it probably won't stack there. Possible, but unlikely.

[Natashaelle]

Dodge bonuses of the same value will stack from different sources.
Generally speaking what you said is true, as most dodge bonuses come from items and therefore will not stack with an equal dodge bonus from a different item.
However, dodge bonuses of the same value, but from different sources, will indeed stack.

Consider:
Haste +1 dodge
Dodge Feat +1 dodge
Alchemical Ritual +1 dodge
All three are +1 dodge bonuses, but they all apply because they are from 3 different sources. One Feat, one spell, one item

It simply appears that no similar bonuses stack because different values than 1 are always on items, so they then won't stack with another item.
Hypothetically, if there were another source of dodge +2/+3/etc besides items, I'm certain that they would stack considering how dodge +1 works.

As far as I know, all sources of +1 dodge should stack, but only one of each type of +2, +3 etc dodge will be active if you have more than one of them with each specific value. That is, 3 +1 dodge effects and 2 +2 ones = 3x1+2 = +5 bonus ; but 3 +1 dodge effects and a +2 and a +3 = 3x1 +2 +3 = +8 bonus.

(although two identical +1 dodge bonuses will not stack, so that if you wore two identical +1 dodge rings, they would not stack with each other)

This is a difference between DDO and D&D, where *all* dodge bonuses stack, except for those from identical sources as above

[Alanim]

From what I've seen the invisibility guard procs anywhere from 3-5% on hit, and whilst you don't lose aggro it seems, they will be unable to see you and thus unable to attack you, which means 10 seconds of free killing. This does not work on spiders/bats things that can see invisibility etc.

I just hope it casting invisibility doesn't mess up tanking while it's on, that would be bad.

[Dilbon]

If thats true, does that mean the +1 Dodge granted by the lvl 16 Cloak of Night will stack as a +1 dodge item bonus?

So if you are wearing Chaosgarde the level 16 cloak with +1 will stack with it but level 20 version with +2 dodge won't?

[MysteryNotes]

So if you are wearing Chaosgarde the level 16 cloak with +1 will stack with it but level 20 version with +2 dodge won't?

Yeah.
The +1 will stack with the +2 from chaosgarde

[sephiroth1084]

So if you are wearing Chaosgarde the level 16 cloak with +1 will stack with it but level 20 version with +2 dodge won't?

And thus we have another oddly designed set of items, where the lower level version is actually better than the higher level one for certain characters... /sigh

[spyderwolf]

And thus we have another oddly designed set of items, where the lower level version is actually better than the higher level one for certain characters... /sigh

while at the same time anyone wearing ac 8 bracers this cloak is extremely nice for. no item will please everyone. and this cloak has 2 versions of it which will please alot of people.

[sephiroth1084]

while at the same time anyone wearing ac 8 bracers this cloak is extremely nice for. no item will please everyone. and this cloak has 2 versions of it which will please alot of people.

I agree that that functionality is nice, but it seems somewhat backward.

Also, I've long had a problem with the degree to which AC items consume equipment slots, particularly since so few AC items offer additional, non-AC effects (in particular few offer necessary bonuses or DPS bonuses). I think it's well past the point that we should be seeing more items like this that incorporate AC bonuses--they don't even need to be new ones. But look at the Claw set from the Red Fens: it provides DPS, healing amp, intimidate, a necessary stat bonus (+6 Str, even if it is somewhat redundant), more HP (+2 exceptional Con), hate generation, and is in all respects an excellent set for DPS characters who don't mind having aggro and threat-tanks, yet impinges upon AC significantly (denies Chaosgarde, +8 AC bracers, Dex gloves).

This cloak is a step in the right direction, including a redundant AC bonus in a new slot with other interesting benefits, but we don't have enough of that kind of redundancy to support an easy switch to this cloak.

[spyderwolf]

I agree that that functionality is nice, but it seems somewhat backward.

Also, I've long had a problem with the degree to which AC items consume equipment slots, particularly since so few AC items offer additional, non-AC effects (in particular few offer necessary bonuses or DPS bonuses). I think it's well past the point that we should be seeing more items like this that incorporate AC bonuses--they don't even need to be new ones. But look at the Claw set from the Red Fens: it provides DPS, healing amp, intimidate, a necessary stat bonus (+6 Str, even if it is somewhat redundant), more HP (+2 exceptional Con), hate generation, and is in all respects an excellent set for DPS characters who don't mind having aggro and threat-tanks, yet impinges upon AC significantly (denies Chaosgarde, +8 AC bracers, Dex gloves).

This cloak is a step in the right direction, including a redundant AC bonus in a new slot with other interesting benefits, but we don't have enough of that kind of redundancy to support an easy switch to this cloak.

i completely agree with the ac gear part of your opinion. iwas just commenting that quite a few builds could use various stages of that cloak, it seemed like you was saying that the level 20 version was garbage. my bad if i read too much into it.

[sephiroth1084]

i completely agree with the ac gear part of your opinion. iwas just commenting that quite a few builds could use various stages of that cloak, it seemed like you was saying that the level 20 version was garbage. my bad if i read too much into it.

Oh no, it's pretty snazzy. My original comment was more about the puzzling nature of a lower tier item being more useful to some characters than the higher since, generally, upgrading something should make it better. A side effect of the way Turbine decided to approach Dodge bonuses on equipment.

[Rathic]

does anyone know if its possible(not in the technical sense but actually feasible) to upgrade the festival items to their level 20 versions without being level 20?

if they are going to be BTC then it would be really sad for say my main character who is in the middle of a TR not to be able to get the item

[sirgog]

does anyone know if its possible(not in the technical sense but actually feasible) to upgrade the festival items to their level 20 versions without being level 20?

if they are going to be BTC then it would be really sad for say my main character who is in the middle of a TR not to be able to get the item

Pretty certain you can, if you have access to an Epic Dungeon Token (from an alt or a past life)

[Diyon]

does anyone know if its possible(not in the technical sense but actually feasible) to upgrade the festival items to their level 20 versions without being level 20?

if they are going to be BTC then it would be really sad for say my main character who is in the middle of a TR not to be able to get the item

Pretty sure they are BTA too.

[Coldin]

Pretty sure they are BTA too.

All of the equipment you can earn is BTC. The various barter items however are not bound so you can trade those between who you like.

So, get the barter items on the level 20, then give those to the TR, and have them upgrade the item.

[Diyon]

New level 20 cloak from the delera's event:

Looking back at the old image and the new image, that was also a stealth change in there. This one hear clearly says Bound to Account. The new image says character. Oh well. =(

[SisAmethyst]

Definitely all items I have seen in the latest Event on Lamannia are Bound to Character!