Shroud Normal

[Quikster]

I didn't notice any stealth changes, only the known which were released in the patch notes.

I have been on runs BEFORE the patch where Red moves around a lot in pt 4. One run I remember he hunted a caster with no mercy into a few different corners lol. Poor guy couldn't get away

[CSFurious]

i think that you can get transmuting or holy burst weapons outside of the shroud

i have also heard that silver works

it sounds like you were playing with weaksauce

they need to go farm the gianthold & acquire a better armory

that is all

Did you see most of the melees holding Greensteel weapons? If so your point is moot.

A party should not need the weapons resultant of a quest in order to complete said quest to make said weapons. It's a self-terminating process.

[Vengenance]

I ran this raid twice last night and I didn't detect any difference. The DPS lag was still there and it made healing in part 4 and 5 a little difficult, but no issues. I ran the first raid with my DPS Ranger and the second with my cleric, both raids went incredibly smooth.

[Dimz]

Is this a case of Developer Spite?

The quest is now difficult enough(part 5) that a party with the gear from the quest is required to complete the quest. Congrats on flipping the bird to new characters, and especially, new players.

Please stop tweaking things when you fix an exploit...

Players: Modify your strat! At least 4 clerics are necessary, and make sure your tanks are TWF Evasion Barbarians with dual Mineral 2 weapons!

As for those of you that bring in a party of all Ranged Rangers, you are doing it right. That seems to be the only way to beat him now(again).

I just soloed healed on my cleric earlier yesterday... so, it seems like it was before. No deaths in part 4 or 5 also.

Dimz

[Vanda]

Silver does indeed bypass the DR, just as it does on all devils. When running my gimp rouge I buy a stack of silver bolts for a holy burst repeater. I get all red numbers, its not that tough.

There are plenty of transmuters to be found. I put up two transmuters (pure good or righteousness) on the auction house just yesterday and I think they will go for well under 20K plat if they sell at all. (Starting price is below the MSRP on the items stats page).

Aside from the lag, we did fine. I think we had 4 deaths in part 5, but that was all lag. I simply would see a full red bar and then *DINK* a guy is dead, despite spamming mass cures.

[Nott]

If we just leave it alone, what happens when DDO Relaunches and bunch of new players fill our ranks again?

Empty streets... tumbleweeds blow by.

I think you may be exaggerating a little (where by 'little' I mean 'hyperbolic to reality'). Your main complaint is that people without GS weapons cannot contribute to the end fight, and with enough undergeared people you won't have a chance at completion? Sounds to me a lot like how things were when the Shroud (a level 17 quest, by the way) was first released. People had to work through it, earn their lower tier items, and with each they became that much more effective. Fast forward to today, and if you're the only person without greensteel you're likely to receive the first two power shards on your very first run! This also completely ignores items received from Hound, VoD, and DT armor.

Sorry, but the sky is not falling.

[DoctorWhofan]

id say about half the party had gs give or take 1 or 2 in each run.sounds to me like you had clerics that wernt very good mass healers or didnt know how to use the pools while they heal or maybe both.very rarely nowadays do i see any group bring more than 2 clerics into the shroud unless its an elite run.

That was my thought. Even when I went in there for the firsttime a couple weeks ago, I only lost two people. A good cleric shouldn't have issues

[moops]

This is a Festivus joke, right? I ran it 6 times yesterday--5 of the groups were not ideal at all. We never had more than 2 clerics, and, for one run we pretty much only had one cleric because the other cleric never healed--or anything. Just as easy as it was before.

[Aspenor]

Is this a case of Developer Spite?

The quest is now difficult enough(part 5) that a party with the gear from the quest is required to complete the quest. Congrats on flipping the bird to new characters, and especially, new players.

Please stop tweaking things when you fix an exploit...

Players: Modify your strat! At least 4 clerics are necessary, and make sure your tanks are TWF Evasion Barbarians with dual Mineral 2 weapons!

As for those of you that bring in a party of all Ranged Rangers, you are doing it right. That seems to be the only way to beat him now(again).

lol you always overreact. you must cause a whole lot of party whipes.

[tinyelvis]

You guys are not very attentive if you didnt notice the changes. A couple I saw are,

a) Part IV blades have new pattern. This may actually make it easier.
b) Part V Mobs attack party all at once requiring a kit'r. Not really a big deal.

Sure the sky is not going to fall, and it really is not any more difficult but why change the thing at all. Nothing positive can come from it.

[gfunk]

exactly the same as before as far as i can tell.

[Osharan_Tregarth]

My one and only noted issue was with the way the death penalty is applied. I got spacked in part 4 and thus had to wait til the end... however when i was finally raised I suffered from a 2 death death penalty... even though I only died once.


Seems something may be off in that


Aesop

Using the altar (which previously raised the dead party members) kills the dead members from part 4 all over again currently. You'll see the messages pop up that your dead party members have died... Again.

I haven't experimented yet to see if you could do it over and over and over again, but I'm sure someone will try it out at some point.

[wamjratl1]

We got bogged down by Death Penalties and only 2 clerics, with a Bard backing up heals... we had a lot of fighters, but Big A was regenerating and the blades were ripping us apart... they were everywhere!

As for those characters, were they using non-greensteel weaponry?

This was my experience yesterday as well. We got ripped to shreds in pt 5. Granted it was a pug with a few folks new to the Shroud but still...

[boldarblood]

After running this a bunch last night, it is still my opinion that the group you had either was not very good or did not work well together. Shroud was not any more difficult at all. You had a bad group like I said earlier, it happens. You deal with it and move on. You really sound like you want an easy button.

[Aspenor]

After running this a bunch last night, it is still my opinion that the group you had either was not very good or did not work well together. Shroud was not any more difficult at all. You had a bad group like I said earlier, it happens. You deal with it and move on. You really sound like you want an easy button.

that's about par for the course concerning the OP

[Beherit_Baphomar]

lol you always overreact. you must cause a whole lot of party whipes.

With cool whip?

[Osharan_Tregarth]

Sorry, but I don't actually expect a group of new players to be able to complete a raid.

IT'S A RAID.

It's supposed to be harder to complete than a quest.

If the new players couldn't complete the shroud prereq quests on normal without the shroud weapons, you might have a valid compliant.


The fact that the underequipped/inexperience players weren't able to complete on their first time through doesn't faze me in the slightest.

[BronwynnBane]

I have to say that some of what GlassCannon is saying is true. I pugged out 3 Shroud runs last night and didn't complete in any of them due to the changes. And the PuG groups were with very seasoned players. Although it didn't help that in all the runs that multiple players kept DC'ing so by the end we were 2-3 people short of a full group on all 3 runs. But I found there are no longer any safe spots in part 5 from the blades like there use to be (or if there is please tell me) and being a Wizzie they chewed through me. Also, Big A was able to hit me when he was in front of the barrier and I was around the corner by one of the pools. I would see the tip of his wing and then take damage and the blades weren't out yet.

[Lorien_the_First_One]

Using the altar (which previously raised the dead party members) kills the dead members from part 4 all over again currently. You'll see the messages pop up that your dead party members have died... Again.

I haven't experimented yet to see if you could do it over and over and over again, but I'm sure someone will try it out at some point.

Hm....want to run a shroud tonight and die so I can try this out on you? Sounds like fun...if clicking it 10 times kills you 10 times, you'd wake up naked in part 5 when we finally started. Could be good for a laugh.

[Osharan_Tregarth]

Hm....want to run a shroud tonight and die so I can try this out on you? Sounds like fun...if clicking it 10 times kills you 10 times, you'd wake up naked in part 5 when we finally started. Could be good for a laugh.

I'm in... You'll probably have to wait until saturday tho... I think I put 6 characters on timer yesterday.

The other ones are characters that are UNDEREQUIPPED and ILL-SUITED to running the shroud, so I BRING APPROPRIATE CHARACTERS to the raid.


Umm.. Was that too blatant?