Shroud Normal

[GlassCannon]

Is this a case of Developer Spite?

The quest is now difficult enough(part 5) that a party with the gear from the quest is required to complete the quest. Congrats on flipping the bird to new characters, and especially, new players.

Please stop tweaking things when you fix an exploit...

Players: Modify your strat! At least 4 clerics are necessary, and make sure your tanks are TWF Evasion Barbarians with dual Mineral 2 weapons!

As for those of you that bring in a party of all Ranged Rangers, you are doing it right. That seems to be the only way to beat him now(again).

[Dirac]

Can you be more specific on what is harder?

[jamie_lannister]

ran it 5 times today and its not harder at all

[HeavenlyCloud]

Lol what? Nothing have changed.

[Do'Urden]

Personally I think they should add CR32 Air Elementals to Part 4 and Part 5...you know, just to spice things up

[Mhykke]

Ran it twice today, once on elite, nothing seemed different, except the mobs in 5 move right away towards the party.

[Junts]

Is this a case of Developer Spite?

The quest is now difficult enough(part 5) that a party with the gear from the quest is required to complete the quest. Congrats on flipping the bird to new characters, and especially, new players.

Please stop tweaking things when you fix an exploit...

Players: Modify your strat! At least 4 clerics are necessary, and make sure your tanks are TWF Evasion Barbarians with dual Mineral 2 weapons!

As for those of you that bring in a party of all Ranged Rangers, you are doing it right. That seems to be the only way to beat him now(again).

are you joking? until a month ago we all fought the 4 lieutenants right away anyway, other than that change, the quest is no harder

i just completed a run on hard where the main dps toon in the group (a well-made wf barb) went ld in part 1, never returned, and the wizard (we had 2 casters) with fogs/debuffs went ld after part 4 and did not return

we still completed the run in about 75-80 minutes and zero major potions used (2 clerics)

they did not make this raid harder; they just stopped our one silly twink tactic that made it easier for the last month or so (run to the corner), so you have to kite them again

big

deal

whiners

[Dexxaan]

Ran it twice today, once on elite, nothing seemed different, except the mobs in 4 move right away towards the party.

Awesome. Another great spot to have an Intimi-Tank get aggro while everyone else buffs.

Can´t wait to get home and Intimidate - Turtle up - Vorpal Cleave - Intimidate...... rinse and repeat

[GlassCannon]

ran it 5 times today and its not harder at all

We got bogged down by Death Penalties and only 2 clerics, with a Bard backing up heals... we had a lot of fighters, but Big A was regenerating and the blades were ripping us apart... they were everywhere!

As for those characters, were they using non-greensteel weaponry?

[Lithic]

Ran it twice today, once on elite, nothing seemed different, except the mobs in 4 move right away towards the party.

In pt 4? So they kill you while you zone in? Or do you mean the lieutenants in pt 5 go to you no matter if you run to the corner and rez?

[GlassCannon]

I apologize to all the veterans and powergamers here on the forums, since 95% of you here have been here for ages and have characters twinked to the hilt...


The Shroud is no different for you all. We had 2 newbies in the PuG and they were right ****ed off.

[GlassCannon]

In pt 4? So they kill you while you zone in? Or do you mean the lieutenants in pt 5 go to you no matter if you run to the corner and rez?

They roam around, no big deal. Grabbing aggro instantly is typical in a PuG, especially with folks who haven't done Shroud much yet.

Also, part 4 altar no longer moves dead party members up to the part 4 arena... they stay dead in part 5, and are robbed of loot. No more running it for the part 4 chests...

[Vorn]

H'mmmm, just ran it in a pick up group, on normal. Two clerics, no pots, a couple of scrolls I think. Our sorc had to drop due to a fire alarm. Only thing different I saw was that he followed us out of the blades in part 4 and that was actually very helpful, and part 5 the lieutenants came right at us, but we split them up and killed them easily enough.

[Kiranselie]

I ran it today, once on normal (first time through on that character, which means no greensteel at all) and once on elite w/ a character that had greensteel, and iir we short manned it on normal. Neither time did we take more than three clerics, and the second time (on elite) i was the only evasion character there. Completed both runs w/ minimal deaths (except when we were messing w/ each other). The raid isnt harder, not by a long shot.

[jamie_lannister]

We got bogged down by Death Penalties and only 2 clerics, with a Bard backing up heals... we had a lot of fighters, but Big A was regenerating and the blades were ripping us apart... they were everywhere!

As for those characters, were they using non-greensteel weaponry?

id say about half the party had gs give or take 1 or 2 in each run.sounds to me like you had clerics that wernt very good mass healers or didnt know how to use the pools while they heal or maybe both.very rarely nowadays do i see any group bring more than 2 clerics into the shroud unless its an elite run.

[Kiranselie]

In pt 4? So they kill you while you zone in? Or do you mean the lieutenants in pt 5 go to you no matter if you run to the corner and rez?

As soon as you res in part 5, youve got just enough time to get off a mass dw, maybe a mass protect, then the lieutenants are on you. Easy enough to kite them tho.

[Junts]

In pt 4? So they kill you while you zone in? Or do you mean the lieutenants in pt 5 go to you no matter if you run to the corner and rez?

its the second thing thats true, not the first; the lieutenants move right away even if you try to twink the corner, the part 4 pull is the same

in fact, nothing changed in pt 4 except what happens to people who died when the altar is attuned now pop back without their stones, not alive, to the center of the arena - hae someone there to res them! they leash in 10 sec

[GlassCannon]

are you joking? until a month ago we all fought the 4 lieutenants right away anyway, other than that change, the quest is no harder

i just completed a run on hard where the main dps toon in the group (a well-made wf barb) went ld in part 1, never returned, and the wizard (we had 2 casters) with fogs/debuffs went ld after part 4 and did not return

we still completed the run in about 75-80 minutes and zero major potions used (2 clerics)

they did not make this raid harder; they just stopped our one silly twink tactic that made it easier for the last month or so (run to the corner), so you have to kite them again

big

deal

whiners

I want to see your party makeup... we had some solid hitters and a good set of Evasion to back it up(2 Assassins dishing rather major DPS on top of the THF barbs), though the other tanks didn't help much... our Clerics did a pretty bang-up job too.. the pools dried up before they could go back for mana the second time... had to use a birthday cake because Big A was hitting for 36-60 damage at GTWF speed, on top of those DBFs tearing a now hole in the fighter HP bars. Death Pen pretty much killed the entire party when Big A was at 28%

We gave up when we saw his HP approach 50% again.

[Junts]

I want to see your party makeup... we had some solid hitters and a good set of Evasion to back it up(2 Assassins dishing rather major DPS on top of the THF barbs), though the other tanks didn't help much... our Clerics did a pretty bang-up job too.. the pools dried up before they could go back for mana the second time... had to use a birthday cake because Big A was hitting for 36-60 damage at GTWF speed, on top of those DBFs tearing a now hole in the fighter HP bars. Death Pen pretty much killed the entire party when Big A was at 28%

We gave up when we saw his HP approach 50% again.

sounds like you guys failed to stack concealment spells on him to me, as his melee should never be that big an issue if you are

[Silverjade]

I apologize to all the veterans and powergamers here on the forums, since 95% of you here have been here for ages and have characters twinked to the hilt...


The Shroud is no different for you all. We had 2 newbies in the PuG and they were right ****ed off.

I am not by any means "uber" but i ran it today with a pug with a clr on his 2cd time and it went really smoothly did not notice any thing out of the normal part 1 was fast and like normal the small sharp i am looking for did not drop. parts 2 3 4 and 5 where no diffrent.