Stick focus trapper paladin pal15/mnk3/rog2

[Szordrinn]

Hello,
I was wondering if it was possible to get a stick focus trapper paladin (pal15/mnk3/rog2). I tried some builds in the planner but didn't find something great. Do you have some ideas ?

The aim is to get a mainly solo build.

Thanks all

[EllisDee37]

Here's mine, which is my main. It's not an uber build, but I enjoy him.

I went 15/5 to maximize skill points and also leave open the possibility of going tier 5 acrobat. If you want to switch to 15/3/2 for the henshin melee power, you'll need to reconfigure the skills. Dropping concentration and open lock seems like the way to go.

Looks like all you need to spend is 6 AP in henshin mystic, which solves itself by virtue of my build spending 9 AP in thief acrobat on tiers 3 & 4, which obviously go away with only 2 rogue levels. So you could in theory spend the exact same AP plus have 3 extra points to play with.

[Szordrinn]

One of my best attempt in the builder :

New Build
15/3/2 Paladin/Monk/Rogue
Lawful Good Human


Level Order

1. Rogue . . . . . 6. Monk . . . . . 11. Paladin. . . . 16. Paladin
2. Paladin. . . . .7. Monk. . . . . .12. Paladin . . . .17. Paladin
3. Paladin. . . . .8. Paladin. . . . 13. Paladin. . . . 18. Paladin
4. Paladin. . . . .9. Paladin. . . . 14. Paladin. . . . 19. Paladin
5. Monk. . . . . .10. Paladin . . . .15. Paladin . . . .20. Rogue


Stats
. . . . . . . .36pt . . Tome . . Level Up
. . . . . . . .---- . . ---- . . --------
Strength. . . . 16. . . .+6. . . .4: STR
Dexterity . . . 12. . . .+6. . . .8: STR
Constitution. . 16. . . .+6. . . 12: STR
Intelligence. . 12. . . .+6. . . 16: STR
Wisdom. . . . . 10. . . .+6. . . 20: STR
Charisma. . . . 14. . . .+6. . . 24: STR
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .28: STR

Skills
. . . . . R .P .P .P .M. M .M. P. P. P. P. P. P. P. P. P. P. P. P. R
. . . . . 1 .2 .3 .4 .5. 6 .7. 8. 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20
. . . . .------------------------------------------------------------
Disable . 4 .½ .½ .½ .1. 1 .1. 1. 1½ 1 .1 .1 .1 .1 .1 .1 .1 .1 .1 .2. 23
Search. . 4 .½ .½ .1 .1. 1 .1. . . . 1. ½. 1. ½. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 5 .23
Spot. . . 4 .½ .½ . . 1 .1. 1 .½ .1 .½ .1 .½ .1 .½ .1 .1 .1 .1 .1 .5. 23
Concent . 2 .1 .1 .1 .1. 1 .2. 2. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 11
Open Lo . 4 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .4
Balance . 4 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .4
Jump. . . 4 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .4
Tumble. . 4 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .4
UMD . . . 4 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .4
Heal. . . 2 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .2
. . . . .------------------------------------------------------------
. . . . .40 .4 .4 .4 .6. 6 .7. 5. 5. 5. 5. 5. 5. 5. 6. 6. 6. 6. 6 12


Feats

.1. . . . : Two Handed Fighting
.1 Human. : Stunning Blow
.2 Deity. : Follower of: Aureon
.3. . . . : Precision
.5 Monk . : Dodge
.6. . . . : Adept of Forms
.6 Monk . : Mobility
.7 Monk . : Path of Harmonious Balance
.9. . . . : Improved Two Handed Fighting
10 Deity. : Child of: Aureon
12. . . . : Master of Forms
15. . . . : Greater Two Handed Fighting
18. . . . : Grandmaster of Forms
21 Epic . : Improved Critical: Bludgeoning
24 Epic . : Overwhelming Critical
26 Destiny: Perfect Two Handed Fighting
27 Epic . : Epic Damage Reduction
28 Destiny: Perfect Two Weapon Fighting
29 Destiny: Deific Warding
30 Epic . : Empower Healing Spell
30 Legend : Scion of: Astral Plane


Spells

Paladin
Divine Favor, Bless, Virtue
Remove Paralysis, Resist Energy
Cure Moderate Wounds, Magic Circle Against Evil
Zeal, Holy Sword

Enhancements (80 AP)

Knight of the Chalice (42 AP)
Slayer of Evil, Courage of Heaven, Slayer of Evil II, Improved Courage of Heaven
Extra Remove Disease III, Extra Smite II
Exalted Cleave III, Melee Power Boost III
Improved Restoration III, Divine Sacrifice II, Vigor of Life, Exalted Smite III
Vigor of Life, Empowered Smite
Holy Retribution III, Vigor of Life, Avenging Cleave III, Sealed Life
Henshin Mystic (14 AP)
Riddle of Fire, Ki Bolt
Henshin Staff Training, Way of the: Patient Tortoise
Henshin Staff Training, Quick Strike III
Lighting the Candle III
Shintao (8 AP)
Bastion of Purity
Restoring the Balance, Reed in the Wind III
Iron Skin III
Thief-Acrobat (7 AP)
Staff Control
Thief Acrobatics III, Sly Flourish III
Sacred Defender (6 AP)
Holy Bastion, Sacred Defense
Extra Lay On Hands I, Durable Defense III
Human (3 AP)
Damage Boost
Improved Recovery

[EllisDee37]

Skills

You'll need UMD. I'd probably drop spot for it; figure you can spot with your face, relying on evasion to keep you alive. Actually, looking more closely, dump wisdom to 8, move those 2 points over to int and spend those extra skill points in UMD. That won't be enough to hit 23 ranks by itself, but combined with the unnecessary points spent on concentration (go big or go home with concentration) and you should be close enough.

It's better to slack off and catch up later on disable than search. If you can't search a box you can't disable it, while if you can't disable it you can usually roll again. (Assuming you don't blow the box, of course.)

Feats

I like how you took Child of Aureon (the level 3 FVS feat) as your level 6 paladin feat. Finally, a valid reason to have coded that feat flexibility! (Both in-game and in my planner.)

I'd take Improved Critical earlier, delaying either the monk forms or THF chains.

Take Dire Charge instead of Deific Warding, especially on a build with stunning blow. It's an AoE stunning blow with a higher DC. It's total win.

I'd probably rather have Epic Reflexes than Empower Healing Spell. You'll have plenty of healing without metamagics, and not auto-failing on a 1 is a huge benefit to an evasion build with decent reflex saves. So good, in fact, that I'd take it at 27 and move Epic DR back to 30. (Actually, maybe switch out Mobility for Empower Healing as you get closer to cap. You can decide then.)

Astral Plane is a solid choice for the legendary feat, but arborea might end up being worth more.

Enhancements

Haste Boost is well worth it. I'd drop sly flourish (you have plenty of clicky attacks), then spend either 2 AP on fast movement (+2% run speed) or Acrobat Training (stacks with henshin) and then go full haste boost for a total of 9 AP in the tree, meaning we need to save 2 AP somewhere else.

I'd move the 1 AP on restoring the balance (only works with handwraps) over to exemplar. At least +1 heal is +1 devotion, and only 1 rank won't mess with your threat.

You don't need the Improved Restoration thingy in KotC since you have Sealed Life. (Love it!) Switch the 3 AP on extra remove disease to 2 AP on extra turn undead. You also didn't take Divine Might, which is the single best enhancement in the tree. Drop improved restoration and melee power boost to take Divine Might III. Haste Boost is strictly better than Melee Power boost anyway.

That saves 1 of the 2 AP we need. Drop Divine Sacrifice down to 1 rank -- the first rank gives the "+1 crit multiplier", and that's all you really need -- and we're good to go.

EDIT: Looks like you can't exchange Mobility for anything good as it's a monk bonus feat.

[EllisDee37]

Here's how those recommendations look. For skills, it was just a straight "add 2 int, and then spend that extra 1 rank on UMD at every level." You may want to fine-tune there.

New Build
15/3/2 Paladin/Monk/Rogue
Lawful Good Human


Level Order

1. Rogue           6. Monk           11. Paladin        16. Paladin
2. Paladin         7. Monk           12. Paladin        17. Paladin
3. Paladin         8. Paladin        13. Paladin        18. Paladin
4. Paladin         9. Paladin        14. Paladin        19. Paladin
5. Monk           10. Paladin        15. Paladin        20. Rogue


Stats
               36pt     Tome     Level Up
               ----     ----     --------
Strength        16       +6       4: STR
Dexterity       12       +6       8: STR
Constitution    16       +6      12: STR
Intelligence    14       +6      16: STR
Wisdom           8       +6      20: STR
Charisma        14       +6      24: STR
                                 28: STR

Skills
          R  P  P  P  M  M  M  P  P  P  P  P  P  P  P  P  P  P  P  R
          1  2  3  4  5  6  7  8  9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20
         ------------------------------------------------------------
Disable   4  ½  ½  ½  1  1  1  1  1½ 1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  2  23
Search    4  ½  ½  1  1  1  1        1  ½  1  ½  1  1  1  1  1  1  5  23
Spot      4  ½  ½     1  1  1  ½  1  ½  1  ½  1  ½  1  1  1  1  1  5  23
UMD       4  ½  ½  ½  ½  ½  ½  ½  ½  ½  ½  ½  ½  ½  ½  ½  ½  ½  ½  1  14
Concent   2  1  1  1  1  1  2  2                                      11
Open Lo   4                                                            4
Balance   4                                                            4
Jump      4                                                            4
Swim      4                                                            4
Tumble    4                                                            4
Heal      2                                                            2
         ------------------------------------------------------------
         44  5  5  5  7  7  8  6  6  6  6  6  6  6  7  7  7  7  7 13


Feats

 1        : Two Handed Fighting
 1 Human  : Stunning Blow
 2 Deity  : Follower of: Aureon
 3        : Precision
 5 Monk   : Dodge
 6        : Adept of Forms
 6 Monk   : Mobility
 7 Monk   : Path of Harmonious Balance
 9        : Improved Two Handed Fighting
10 Deity  : Child of: Aureon
12        : Master of Forms
15        : Improved Critical: Bludgeoning
18        : Grandmaster of Forms
21 Epic   : Greater Two Handed Fighting
24 Epic   : Overwhelming Critical
26 Destiny: Perfect Two Handed Fighting
27 Epic   : Epic Reflexes
28 Destiny: Perfect Two Weapon Fighting
29 Destiny: Dire Charge
30 Epic   : Epic Damage Reduction OR Empower Healing Spell
30 Legend : Scion of: Astral Plane OR Arborea


Spells

Paladin
Divine Favor, Bless, Virtue
Remove Paralysis, Resist Energy
Cure Moderate Wounds, Magic Circle Against Evil
Holy Sword, Zeal

Enhancements (80 AP)

Knight of the Chalice (40 AP)
Slayer of Evil, Courage of Heaven, Slayer of Evil II, Improved Courage of Heaven
Extra Turning II, Extra Smite II
Divine Might III, Exalted Cleave III
Divine Sacrifice I, Vigor of Life, Exalted Smite III
Vigor of Life, Empowered Smite
Holy Retribution III, Vigor of Life, Avenging Cleave III, Sealed Life
Henshin Mystic (14 AP)
Riddle of Fire, Ki Bolt
Henshin Staff Training, Way of the: Patient Tortoise
Henshin Staff Training, Quick Strike III
Lighting the Candle III
Thief-Acrobat (9 AP)
Staff Control
Acrobat Staff Training, Thief Acrobatics III
Haste Boost III
Shintao (8 AP)
Bastion of Purity
Reed in the Wind III, Exemplar I
Iron Skin III
Sacred Defender (6 AP)
Holy Bastion, Sacred Defense
Extra Lay On Hands I, Durable Defense III
Human (3 AP)
Damage Boost
Improved Recovery

Not to toot my own horn too much, but it was nice being able to just copy & paste your posted build into the planner and then adjust it from there. Love that import feature.

[Vish]

This one caught my fancy this morning
Considering th e split, and concept
Kinda batman...
I think I call it the frog,

15/3/2 pal monk rogue
Lg human

Str 14
Dex 14
Con 14
Int 14
Wis 14
Cha 14 +7
+6 tomes

Umd, search, disable, spot, jump, conc

1 rogue CE
Human dodge
2 monk mobility
3 monk thf
Feat pa
4 monk
5-6 pal cleave
7-9 pal gcleave
10-12 ic blunt
13-15 ithf
16-18 gthf
19 pal
20 rogue

21 oc
24 mof
26 pthf
27 blinding speed
28 elusive tgt
29 chaos
30 astral
Gmof

Ap
21 henshin
17 sacredd
12 kotc
8 Shintao
8 human
7 TA
7 mech

There, a super saves trapper with a decent staff melee

[Szordrinn]

Do you know if Holy sword is cumulative with Staff specialization from thief acrobat ? It seems these are 2 competence bonuses so i think they don't stack, but i'm not sure.

[EllisDee37]

Do you know if Holy sword is cumulative with Staff specialization from thief acrobat ? It seems these are 2 competence bonuses so i think they don't stack, but i'm not sure.

They do not stack.

If I switched my guy to Tier 5 acrobat, I would drop Holy Sword and take Deathward instead. (Since I would no longer have Sealed Life.)

EDIT: Actually, I think I did just that a few months ago.