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    Hatchery Founder Ganak's Avatar
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    Default T5 DWS or T5 Tempest for Pure Ranger TWF

    So I'm examining T5 of DWS for my dex based TWF Elf Ranger Tempest. 98% melee and don't often pick up the bow.

    Currently using T5 Tempest and the following:

    Core - Dervish: +4 Dexterity. +25% chance to doublestrike with your off-hand while dual wielding. While wearing light or no armor: +10 Melee Power, Physical Resistance Rating, and Magical Resistance Rating.
    Whirling Blades: +3 to hit and damage while dual wielding.
    Many Cuts: Passive: +4% Doublestrike, +4 Melee Power. I like to minimize the clickies and already have a bunch, including LD destiny clickies.
    Dual Perfection: Your off hand weapon now adds your full attribute damage modifier.

    Looking at T5 DWS:

    Core - Horizon Shot: You gain +4 Dexterity and +3 Sneak Attack Dice. +20 Positive Spell Power. +20 Melee Power +20 Ranged Power
    Strikes Like Lightning: You gain +10% Doublestrike and +20% Doubleshot
    Head Shot: Melee version. +5[W] attack that is automatically considered a critical threat. On hit, blinds the opponent for 6 seconds. (Fortitude save negates, 14 + Ranger level + Dexterity Mod + Tactical Feat DCs) Cooldown: 12 seconds.
    Improved Archer's Focus: Passive: +5 Melee Power and +5 Ranged Power


    So if I went to T5 DWS I'd lose:
    +25% chance to doublestrike with your off-hand
    Off hand weapon now adds your full attribute damage modifier.
    +3 to hit and damage
    +10 PRR/MRR

    But with T5 DWS net gain:
    11 melee power
    +3 Sneak Attack Dice (or an average of 10.5 damage per sneak attack and always doing SA dmg).
    +6% Doublestrike


    I'm not sure how to quantify the offhand numbers with tempest.

    Anyone run the numbers before or have any thoughts?


    However, I'd maybe have to invest more points into junk DWS to hit T5, which would likely be the deal breaker.

    Thanks!
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    I prefer Tempest, Dance With Death is one of the best DPS skills in the game, especially when you mix it with Thousand Cuts (though I tend to take Many Cuts). T5s for Tempest are better boss/trash abilities than a small overall boost. T5 DWS is much better for Ranged toons though.

    On the Core for DWS, its not always sneak attack damage, it is range, which only affects Ranged toons, not TWF.
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    If you're melee-focused: Tempest, no question. The extra SA, MP & DS from DWS doesn't nearly make up for Tempest goodies; even if you skip TC, DoD+MC+DP is still better than what's in T5 DWS.

    T5 DWS only makes sense for ranged-focused or maybe ranged-melee hybrids, IMO.
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    T5 Tempest.

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    Tempest. Dance of Death alone is almost better than the entirety of all DWS tier 5s combined.

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    Tempest is way better DPS wise, though you'd think DWS would edge it out some how. Keep you Doublestrike and SA damage as high as possible to make up for the melee power
    you miss out on when A Thousand Cuts is on CD.

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