Knocking out a fighter life

[EllisDee37]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AdJw...ature=youtu.be

given the accessibility of csw pots, why would you sacrifice ******** dmg output and prr?

Maybe to avoid having to grind out 3x paladin past lives and be stuck using a +++ weapon like in the linked video?

[Wipey]

You don't even get hit in heroics these days.

Couple Martial lives, some Deflection and Nat armour items and Shield clicky goes a long way.

My thf kensei has like 68 ac and 100 prr at level ten.
Add Displace and Fast Hjealing and you just can't die even if you tried.

[the_one_dwarfforged]

Maybe to avoid having to grind out 3x paladin past lives and be stuck using a +++ weapon like in the linked video?

Obviously I wouldn't suggest to someone that they should acquire three pally lives just to make case pots silly for a heroic fighter tr, but trying is the name of the game and it's not unreasonable to expect most people to have at least some pally lives I think.

As for being "stuck" using a hamp stick, it's no different than heal scrolling, for which a hamp stick should also still be equipped, which is a very commonly accepted practice.

Regardless, between liquid courage and just one rank of human hamp I'm willing to say you'd probably get around say 50 hp back per pot which is still very good healing especially considering how easy it is.

You don't even get hit in heroics these days.

Couple Martial lives, some Deflection and Nat armour items and Shield clicky goes a long way.

My thf kensei has like 68 ac and 100 prr at level ten.
Add Displace and Fast Hjealing and you just can't die even if you tried.

This guy gets it. You don't even need any martial or primal lives or the clickies mostly, in fact I'm not even using mine.

[EllisDee37]

Regardless, between liquid courage and just one rank of human hamp I'm willing to say you'd probably get around say 50 hp back per pot which is still very good healing especially considering how easy it is.

Agreed. Especially if you toss in a Mysterious Cloak, which is a reasonable cloak choice for pretty much any melee during heroics. I was just objecting to the specific video cited as evidence.

This guy gets it. You don't even need any martial or primal lives or the clickies mostly, in fact I'm not even using mine.

Just talking about a fighter past life, I'm not seeing any utility from staying pure for dps. Much like you don't need all that defense for heroics, you also don't need all that dps. Splashing a divine class for self-healing gets you a perfectly respectable WAY OP build for heroics. My 12/8 fighter/cleric that self-heals with his bluebar starting at level 3 easily facerolls heroics. (Duh. Pretty much everything easily facerolls heroics.)

Keeping in mind that the OP stated that he was going to quickly level to 20 and then likely TR immediately out of fighter, why not multiclass?

[the_one_dwarfforged]

Agreed. Especially if you toss in a Mysterious Cloak, which is a reasonable cloak choice for pretty much any melee during heroics. I was just objecting to the specific video cited as evidence.

Just talking about a fighter past life, I'm not seeing any utility from staying pure for dps. Much like you don't need all that defense for heroics, you also don't need all that dps. Splashing a divine class for self-healing gets you a perfectly respectable WAY OP build for heroics. My 12/8 fighter/cleric that self-heals with his bluebar starting at level 3 easily facerolls heroics. (Duh. Pretty much everything easily facerolls heroics.)

Keeping in mind that the OP stated that he was going to quickly level to 20 and then likely TR immediately out of fighter, why not multiclass?

certainly that video is not representative of newer players, the point is that someone couldnt even imagine healing 4-500 hp with csw pots, and you can clearly see im getting 80s and 90s with my setup. given that, and assuming less hamp than i was using, i think it is clear that if you have an excess of dps and defense that you do not need better healing that what csw pots provide you, worst case scenario you top off between fights which shouldnt take that long, and even in combat it should be sufficient most of the time.

if you read earlier posts in this thread of mine, you will see i actually advocate for multiclassing and effectively call staying pure pointless. i even suggested 12/2 ftr/rog as probably what i consider the easiest and most effective fighter tr build. the only fighter level id really want to rush is 12, though honestly 8 or even 6 are probably better stopping points for a rush. in fact, just 6 really. using a large crit range weapon with the extra multiplier is really the best thing to do, and if one does not have sos id just use carnifex because while you may not crit quite as often as with a falc, you still have a decent crit range, and the x4 multiplier WILL kill pretty much anything trashwise in most heroic quests most of the time, its just a matter of procing those crits with your cleaves. when it comes to a build like 12/8 though, imo it suffers from the same drawbacks as pure without offering the same raw power and so is actually weaker imo. idk the levelling order or what not, but either you are going to delay getting great cleave, +1 crit multi, +1 crit range, powersurge by some number of levels which will just slow you down as there can be no argument that a brand new first lifer who could afford a reasonable amount of csw pots will not need literally any more healing than that meaning only aoe dps and runspeed are important, or you delay healing until it is too little too late.

[EllisDee37]

if you read earlier posts in this thread of mine, you will see i actually advocate for multiclassing and effectively call staying pure pointless. i even suggested 12/2 ftr/rog as probably what i consider the easiest and most effective fighter tr build. the only fighter level id really want to rush is 12, though honestly 8 or even 6 are probably better stopping points for a rush. in fact, just 6 really. using a large crit range weapon with the extra multiplier is really the best thing to do, and if one does not have sos id just use carnifex because while you may not crit quite as often as with a falc, you still have a decent crit range, and the x4 multiplier WILL kill pretty much anything trashwise in most heroic quests most of the time, its just a matter of procing those crits with your cleaves. when it comes to a build like 12/8 though, imo it suffers from the same drawbacks as pure without offering the same raw power and so is actually weaker imo. idk the levelling order or what not, but either you are going to delay getting great cleave, +1 crit multi, +1 crit range, powersurge by some number of levels which will just slow you down as there can be no argument that a brand new first lifer who could afford a reasonable amount of csw pots will not need literally any more healing than that meaning only aoe dps and runspeed are important, or you delay healing until it is too little too late.

The 12/8 build I use (and that is designed for new players) gets much or most of its healing from Ameliorating Strike, so he doesn't have to stop swinging his weapon to drink a pot. All the other dps stuff (crit multiplier, power surge) is definitely delayed, but again, he doesn't have to stop swinging his weapon to heal.

I've run the build through three heroic lives, and at no point have I ever felt it was lacking in dps. However, low will saves is a bummer on a fighter, and I greatly appreciate his freedom of movement to be able to ignore holds. (He doesn't get that until 15, though.)

EDIT: The build thread is here if you're curious. I'll readily admit that it's a bummer not having ML12+ cores or tier 5s for ToEE, but nobody has those for ToEE, not even pure builds, because you're only level 10 if running for bravery.

[the_one_dwarfforged]

The 12/8 build I use (and that is designed for new players) gets much or most of its healing from Ameliorating Strike, so he doesn't have to stop swinging his weapon to drink a pot. All the other dps stuff (crit multiplier, power surge) is definitely delayed, but again, he doesn't have to stop swinging his weapon to heal.

I've run the build through three heroic lives, and at no point have I ever felt it was lacking in dps. However, low will saves is a bummer on a fighter, and I greatly appreciate his freedom of movement to be able to ignore holds. (He doesn't get that until 15, though.)

EDIT: The build thread is here if you're curious. I'll readily admit that it's a bummer not having ML12+ cores or tier 5s for ToEE, but nobody has those for ToEE, not even pure builds, because you're only level 10 if running for bravery.

i dont need to heal at all because i wreck everything before it has the chance to do damage. not stopping swinging my weapon either. well, i do. cause everything is dead. :/

personally i have fom boots and fom pot, so its kinda not fair from my perspective these days, but i would not pay class levels for fom. even if i didnt have those items i wouldnt. once upon a time i did not have those items, and i just had to learn how to deal with it in other ways. i pay pretty close attention to what other melees of a similar type are doing in groups in game, and honestly i must be the only ****er in creation who actually uses trip or los on a regular basis.

ive actually looked at that build thread some time ago and thought it was a good build for a new player who needs self healing and intends to play epics. i dont think its a bad heroic build either, just not better than a pure fighter, even for a new player. its not a build ill ever use though, i figure its obvious why that would be.