Level 30 and your Epic TRs

[Uska]

I think rebalancing the curve so that it takes 7.5 million xp to get to 30 would be a reasonable compromise. (Right now it's 6.6 million to get to 28.)

Raising it significantly -- which IMO is anything above 8 million to get to 30 -- does nothing except punish newer players. That seems counterproductive to me.

That's to little an increase maybe a total of 8 to 8.5 would be sensible

[draven1]

How about ER requires 6.6 million karma xp only?
Once you over level 20, you can ER anytime if you have 6.6 million karma.

[JP457]

~ Just a reminder that epic levels are increasing to level 30 with Update 29, so if you are working on an Epic character for the purpose of a true reincarnation you might want to level before update 29 as it will be take more XP when you can go to level 30.

~ Yes, we have read the question about what happens when a level 28 character starts a reincarnation and then the level is increased. We are discussing that internally.

Sev~

Why not let those of us at 28 bank the xp now? That way, when the cap goes to 30 we'll already have the xp to level and TR.

[Uska]

How about ER requires 6.6 million karma xp only?
Once you over level 20, you can ER anytime if you have 6.6 million karma.

No it was always suppose to be xp cap and that shouldn't change

[Uska]

Why not let those of us at 28 bank the xp now? That way, when the cap goes to 30 we'll already have the xp to level and TR.

Why add more now and your idea could bug things later

[Shoemaker]

~ Just a reminder that epic levels are increasing to level 30 with Update 29, so if you are working on an Epic character for the purpose of a true reincarnation you might want to level before update 29 as it will be take more XP when you can go to level 30.

~ Yes, we have read the question about what happens when a level 28 character starts a reincarnation and then the level is increased. We are discussing that internally.

Sev~

Am I the only one noticing Severlin saying that true reincarnation (as opposed to epic reincarnation) is being bumped up to level 30? Was this a typo Sev or is it really TR going from 20 to 30?

[elvesunited]

So why not simply change the xp per level from 21-30 to be 660,000 per level.

Because the experience per quest grows as you get higher in levels and are able to handle tougher quests. Right now they are "trying" to balance it so you spend about the same time per epic level.

How about this rebalance?

xp ( in thousands )

lvl xp total
------------------------------------
21 300 300
22 400 700
23 500 1200
24 600 1800
25 700 2500
26 800 3300
27 900 4200
28 1000 5200
29 1100 6300
30 1200 7500

[Systern]

~ Just a reminder that epic levels are increasing to level 30 with Update 29, so if you are working on an Epic character for the purpose of a true reincarnation you might want to level before update 29 as it will be take more XP when you can go to level 30.

~ Yes, we have read the question about what happens when a level 28 character starts a reincarnation and then the level is increased. We are discussing that internally.

Sev~

I know it's a long shot, but...

Any efforts to improving the TR Cache for those of us still TRing into regular and Iconic builds? With the increase to 30, I'm going to want another tier of grinding gear. (i.e. I currently make due with L25 gear to get to 28 before TRing, and haven't really collected Necro4/ToEE gear because it's not worth storing for the amount of time I'll use it... With the increase to 30, I'll want/need to have a set and that means more space required in inventory/bank to clear it out, and the additional wasted time clearing it out of the cache each TR...)

It'd be nice if the TR cache:

• Was more responsive removing items.
• Had a search bar
• Didn't need to be emptied each TR (pie in the sky)

[Vanhooger]

I know it's a long shot, but...

Any efforts to improving the TR Cache for those of us still TRing into regular and Iconic builds? With the increase to 30, I'm going to want another tier of grinding gear. (i.e. I currently make due with L25 gear to get to 28 before TRing, and haven't really collected Necro4/ToEE gear because it's not worth storing for the amount of time I'll use it... With the increase to 30, I'll want/need to have a set and that means more space required in inventory/bank to clear it out, and the additional wasted time clearing it out of the cache each TR...)

It'd be nice if the TR cache:

• Was more responsive removing items.
• Had a search bar
• Didn't need to be emptied each TR (pie in the sky)

This still my dream, but I lost hope in it.

[golruul]

How much more?
Levels 26-28 are already a grind on an ER, though IRs aren't as bad with the first time bonuses.
If the original plan of 3 million extra XP needed is still happening, that will be enough for me to quit DDO.

This is my thought as well, although I never commented on this topic until now. I'm a casual player and TR every 3-6 months. Adding another ~3 million XP or so will significantly extend the time to TR. I wouldn't have minded if we originally had to do that extra ~3 million, but putting it now punishes the players that didn't grind out all the past lives (i.e. casual players and new players).

I've been a VIP for several years but will be cancelling it when this goes live. And since access to new content from the past two years will go away when my VIP expires, I won't bother playing anymore either.

[Qhualor]

This is my thought as well, although I never commented on this topic until now. I'm a casual player and TR every 3-6 months. Adding another ~3 million XP or so will significantly extend the time to TR. I wouldn't have minded if we originally had to do that extra ~3 million, but putting it now punishes the players that didn't grind out all the past lives (i.e. casual players and new players).

I've been a VIP for several years but will be cancelling it when this goes live. And since access to new content from the past two years will go away when my VIP expires, I won't bother playing anymore either.

It's not a punishment. We have known a couple years that cap will be eventually 30. The same "punishment" argument was used when cap became 25 and again at 28. Past lives are optional, not a requirement. It's up to the individual player if they think it's worth the grind.

[EllisDee37]

It's not a punishment. We have known a couple years that cap will be eventually 30. The same "punishment" argument was used when cap became 25 and again at 28

That's a great attemp at revisionist history, but no, the same arguments were NOT used when the cap went to 25 and 28. Heroic TR xp requirements have never gone up (in fact, they've come down) and ETR didn't exist until the level cap was 28. So it's not possible that this came up before.

[EllisDee37]

That's to little an increase maybe a total of 8 to 8.5 would be sensible

You also think 10 million per level would be sensible, so there's that.

[Uska]

Am I the only one noticing Severlin saying that true reincarnation (as opposed to epic reincarnation) is being bumped up to level 30? Was this a typo Sev or is it really TR going from 20 to 30?

Typo

[Uska]

You also think 10 million per level would be sensible, so there's that.

Yes but I lowered that didn't I 900k is way to low to gain the next 2 levels

[golruul]

It's not a punishment. We have known a couple years that cap will be eventually 30. The same "punishment" argument was used when cap became 25 and again at 28. Past lives are optional, not a requirement. It's up to the individual player if they think it's worth the grind.

We did not all know cap was going up to 30 for several years. YOU and probably anyone that regularly reads all of the forums did. I found out maybe 6 months ago from a random post I read. How many casual players do you think constantly read all of the forums? There's nothing in game that lets casual players know about this.

I started playing epics when the cap was 28, so I didn't experience the 25 cap. If I did, I would have the same argument about punishing casual/new players, because that's exactly what's happening. This current increase personally affects me, though, which is why I'm making these posts.

Your last sentence is correct, though, regardless of the particular topic. It's up to the individual to determine if the game is worth it. For some, the recent rebalance made the game not worth it. For me, XP increase to ETR is the tipping point.

[Lonnbeimnech]

Egads, 3.15Mil xp. That will take the better half of a Saturday evening, assuming I don't drink a pot.

Can we make it 30 mil for lvl 29 and 60 mil for lvl 30, so I might have a reason to log in more than once that month?

[Uska]

We did not all know cap was going up to 30 for several years. YOU and probably anyone that regularly reads all of the forums did. I found out maybe 6 months ago from a random post I read. How many casual players do you think constantly read all of the forums? There's nothing in game that lets casual players know about this.

I started playing epics when the cap was 28, so I didn't experience the 25 cap. If I did, I would have the same argument about punishing casual/new players, because that's exactly what's happening. This current increase personally affects me, though, which is why I'm making these posts.

Your last sentence is correct, though, regardless of the particular topic. It's up to the individual to determine if the game is worth it. For some, the recent rebalance made the game not worth it. For me, XP increase to ETR is the tipping point.

More levels should take more experience PERIOD!

[EllisDee37]

I started playing epics when the cap was 28, so I didn't experience the 25 cap. If I did, I would have the same argument about punishing casual/new players, because that's exactly what's happening. This current increase personally affects me, though, which is why I'm making these posts.

You probably wouldn't have.

When the cap was 25, we couldn't ETR. There was no point in gaining epic levels, really, other than getting the feats and higher ML gear. It certainly wasn't worth grinding out xp to level in epics. (Fate points was why people used to grind epics.)

When 28 was introduced and epic xp to cap went up from 3 million to 6.6 million, they finally gave us something to do: ETR. We were never able to ETR for only 3 million xp, the xp needed was never raised. (Until u29, sounds like.)

[Qhualor]

That's a great attemp at revisionist history, but no, the same arguments were NOT used when the cap went to 25 and 28. Heroic TR xp requirements have never gone up (in fact, they've come down) and ETR didn't exist until the level cap was 28. So it's not possible that this came up before.

Don't know why you brought up heroic. I was talking about epic. You really are saying there was no discussions on some people not liking the raise in xp and reincarnating saying how painful it would be?

What were some players suggesting to do when leveling through off destinies? TR into a class that better fits those destinies.

What were some players suggesting to do to reset MM, to reset slayers and get back BB? TR.

What were some players responses to those suggestions? Its too much of a grind already having to go back to level 1/15. If you read those threads, than you would have seen those "punishment" responses. When cap moved to 28, the same thing. What I said wasn't made up.