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    Default Need help with feat (for shadowscale docent)

    So just came back to the game and in a bind. I made the shadowscale docent without really reading it needed Mithraal or adamantine Body. I would love to have the 3% double shot and 20 percent range speed, but i just dont have any room for one of those feats (mithral I assume because of evade). With everything listed below I just cant see myself giving any of them up. I love quicken for my bladeforge heal and everything else effects my dps. THE only thing I can think of doing is dropping crippling strike or opportunist for improved evasion and getting rid of epic reflex. BUT I love never getting hit by traps..and if I drop that and go improved evasion, when i roll a 1 i will take half damage.

    I don't know what to do Btw my character is 18rog/2 arti mechanic build with Leg Dred ED

    My feats:
    Quicken
    Rapid shot
    Rapid Reload
    Improve Crit
    Combat archery
    Precision
    Improved precise shot
    Doubleshot epic
    Epic reflex
    Holy Strike Epic

    Rogue feats

    Slippery Mind
    Opportunist
    Crippling strike

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    Can the bladeforge reconstruct SLA be interrupted by damage?

    Also, not sure what you mean regarding rogue feats. You can't take warforged body as a rogue bonus feat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EllisDee37 View Post
    Can the bladeforge reconstruct SLA be interrupted by damage?

    Also, not sure what you mean regarding rogue feats. You can't take warforged body as a rogue bonus feat.
    I think it can be interrupted but would love some confirmation.

    As for the rogue feats, I was talking about switching one out for improved evasion which means I would free up Epic Reflex which is a normal feat. But if I did that I would take damage when I roll a 1 which I currently dont due to Epic Reflex. Improved evasion is a rogue feat. They are pointless to have both.

    Hope that makes sense. If Bladeforge SLA can't be interrupted....both I would be happy. But on the SLA itself it says Quicken and Enlarge are the only two metas that effect it so I am assuming it cant be interrupted.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jaysun View Post
    So just came back to the game and in a bind. I made the shadowscale docent without really reading it needed Mithraal or adamantine Body. I would love to have the 3% double shot and 20 percent range speed, but i just dont have any room for one of those feats (mithral I assume because of evade). With everything listed below I just cant see myself giving any of them up. I love quicken for my bladeforge heal and everything else effects my dps. THE only thing I can think of doing is dropping crippling strike or opportunist for improved evasion and getting rid of epic reflex. BUT I love never getting hit by traps..and if I drop that and go improved evasion, when i roll a 1 i will take half damage.

    I don't know what to do Btw my character is 18rog/2 arti mechanic build with Leg Dred ED

    My feats:
    Quicken
    Rapid shot
    Rapid Reload
    Improve Crit
    Combat archery
    Precision
    Improved precise shot
    Doubleshot epic
    Epic reflex
    Holy Strike Epic

    Rogue feats

    Slippery Mind
    Opportunist
    Crippling strike
    Did you spend a feat on that? Cuz arti gets it free at level 1.

    You might have spent a feat on it and then took your first arti level, thus losing a feat.

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    Ah, now I see what you mean about the rogue feats. I'm a little slow on the uptake.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jaysun View Post
    I think it can be interrupted but would love some confirmation.
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    If Bladeforge SLA can't be interrupted....both I would be happy. But on the SLA itself it says Quicken and Enlarge are the only two metas that effect it so I am assuming it cant be interrupted.
    My understanding is that all SLAs are immune to interruption. You can apply quicken to make it cast faster, though.

    I could be wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lonnbeimnech View Post
    Did you spend a feat on that? Cuz arti gets it free at level 1.

    You might have spent a feat on it and then took your first arti level, thus losing a feat.
    Naw I just listed it but I got it free from Arti.

    But for Ellis, can you link me where you heard this from? There is a small delay difference with and without using quicken but if it cant be interrupted I can totally live with that and that would solve everything. Anyone else confirm also? I would also prefer adamantine body but is mithril my only option because I would lose evasion?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jaysun View Post
    Quicken
    Epic reflex
    I would swap one of these for Mithral Body, probably Epic Reflexes; it's nice, but with Imp Evasion and the extra MRR from Mithral Body, you hopefully won't need it.

    BTW, unless I'm miscounting, your feat list is missing one; do you have Overwhelming Crit?
    Quote Originally Posted by EllisDee37 View Post
    My understanding is that all SLAs are immune to interruption. You can apply quicken to make it cast faster, though.
    You don't make a Concentration check when using SLAs (inc. BF Recon), so it that sense they're uninterruptible. But you can still be stunned, knocked down, etc. - or simply killed - before the SLA finishes casting; and un-Quickened Recon can feel agonizingly slow when you're really getting beat on. Plus the sooner you finish repairs, the sooner you get back to the violence.
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    Quote Originally Posted by unbongwah View Post
    I would swap one of these for Mithral Body, probably Epic Reflexes; it's nice, but with Imp Evasion and the extra MRR from Mithral Body, you hopefully won't need it.

    BTW, unless I'm miscounting, your feat list is missing one; do you have Overwhelming Crit?

    You don't make a Concentration check when using SLAs (inc. BF Recon), so it that sense they're uninterruptible. But you can still be stunned, knocked down, etc. - or simply killed - before the SLA finishes casting; and un-Quickened Recon can feel agonizingly slow when you're really getting beat on. Plus the sooner you finish repairs, the sooner you get back to the violence.


    Which Rogue feat would you drop to get improved evasion. My weapon has 30% armor bypass, should I drop opportunist since it only gives me the 10 percent and the other effect doesnt work with range? Or am I going to see to big of a DPS hit

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    I never bother with Slippery Mind; WF/BF are immune to Hold spells and OID has no Will save (so Slippery Mind does nothing). So I think disco balls are the only spell which potentially pose a problem; as a ranged toon, it's not too hard to avoid those. Crippling Strike is pretty weaksauce too, unless you've really built for STR dmg; just takes too darn long to render something helpless thru 0 STR. So either of those can be ditched.
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    SLAs are not interruptible and also do not suffer from ASF.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jaysun View Post
    So just came back to the game and in a bind. I made the shadowscale docent without really reading it needed Mithraal or adamantine Body. I would love to have the 3% double shot and 20 percent range speed, but i just dont have any room for one of those feats (mithral I assume because of evade). With everything listed below I just cant see myself giving any of them up. I love quicken for my bladeforge heal and everything else effects my dps. THE only thing I can think of doing is dropping crippling strike or opportunist for improved evasion and getting rid of epic reflex. BUT I love never getting hit by traps..and if I drop that and go improved evasion, when i roll a 1 i will take half damage.

    I don't know what to do Btw my character is 18rog/2 arti mechanic build with Leg Dred ED

    My feats:
    Quicken
    Rapid shot
    Rapid Reload
    Improve Crit
    Combat archery
    Precision
    Improved precise shot
    Doubleshot epic
    Epic reflex
    Holy Strike Epic

    Rogue feats

    Slippery Mind
    Opportunist
    Crippling strike
    Would dump the epic reflex, it isn't THAT much of a difference so would be my first to give up for another feat
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    This is what I changed too. I haven't really noticed not having quicken. Little slower but since I don't get interrupted it doesn't really bother me. This has been working best for me in epic elite.

    My feats:
    Quicken (mithral body now)
    Rapid shot
    Rapid Reload
    Improve Crit
    Combat archery
    Precision
    Improved precise shot
    Doubleshot epic
    Epic reflex (Epic sneak attack)
    Holy Strike Epic

    Rogue feats

    Slippery Mind
    Opportunist
    Crippling strike (improved evasion)

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