Cannith Crafting: the terrible NON-FEATURES

[moomooprincess]

This weekend I took advantage of leveling up on the server of Sarlona for the 30% bonus.

When the AMOUNT window was added is when the interface went wrong.

A list of the things that went wrong for me

1. INTERFACE IS WONKY

The interface just locks up, has to be closed and re-opened. A lot.

This might be machine OS dependent. The VISTA machine is just bad, but the windows 7 and windows 8 also just stop working a random times.

I have theories on how to mitigate, but it is not consistent.
a) if you can select both a green or a yellow always take the vertical selection bar to the BOTTOM of the window
b) put a number in the amount window

Causes
a) When changing pages of inventory, almost 100% quits working
b) when changing from (jewelry, clothing, armor, weapon) to (select one that is not the same (jewelry, clothing, armor, weapon)) it locks up
c) changing to deconstruct a weapon is really bad at locking up

[moomooprincess]

DECONSTRUCTING SHARDS

When I deconstructed shards so I could get back some of my essences, I could only deconstruct one type of shard and I had to restart the window each and every time. sure I could deconstruct 11 of the same shard, but I still had to close the window and restart the window

[moomooprincess]

POOR DATABASE VIEW?

Why oh why oh why are there multiple of the exact same shard at the exact same level with the exact same ingredients?

Spell Penetration I for example

[moomooprincess]

XP and PROFICIENCY DO NOT CHANGE

I used to be able to determine the best and most efficient XP to level up. Now, when I construct a shard the XP and Proficiency do not change until I level up in one of the schools of crafting, does not matter which one.

I can forever see

MENDING Level 71, XP 109, proficiency 85%

it will never change until I level up

[moomooprincess]

CREATING TWO OF THE SAME SHARD

When you create a shard it stays on that shard so you can create it again. Of course the XP and proficiency don't change, BUT

when you create the SECOND SAME SHARD, it clears out and goes back to page 1, item 1, even though I was on page 3 item 6. Very annoying

[moomooprincess]

ANIMATION LAG

It is just terrible. This could go back to being a poor database view that creates multiple sequential tables in it.

[Fedora1]

I'll be surprised if they ever fix (let alone upgrade) Cannith crafting. They seem to like creating more and more different crafting systems instead.

[EllisDee37]

All the issues you list are legitimate problems that need addressing.

POOR DATABASE VIEW?

Why oh why oh why are there the exact same shard at the exact same level at the exact same ingredients?

Spell Penetration I for example

A little background on this: Cannith crafting was implemented back when "spell power" and spell penetration was leveled. As in, spell penetration III gave +2 spell pen for spell levels 1, 2 and 3. And something like greater devotion IV gave 30% (or whatever) extra damage to positive energy spells for spell levels 1, 2, 3 and 4.

This changed when spell power was changed over to the current system, and then again when spell penetration was similarly changed. During the changeovers, it was decided to not remove the now duplicate shards because they can (and often should) be used for leveling. As an example, the spell power clickie shards are typically good xp shards for leveling, like ardor.

Since the original cannith crafting was balanced around having all these many leveling shards in place, removing them was considered the worse of the two options. Even when two different shards have the same effect, level and cost, that's still more xp to had before the repetition penalties get you.

[UurlockYgmeov]

first feel your pain. agree with 95%.

I'll be surprised if they ever fix (let alone upgrade) Cannith crafting. They seem to like creating more and more different crafting systems instead.

Still on the to-do list for '15... it would be the last thing done (providing there is time) and the first thing bumped to '16 (providing there isn't enough time).

Was mentioned by Cordovan (IIRC) last week during one of his livestreams.

After everything that is already planned for this year, Cannith Crafting/Random Loot pass needs to happen, and then the Guild Management System pass needs to happen right after (just before the 10th anniversary/birthday).

What is the Guild Management System pass? check sig.

[moomooprincess]

HOW TO KNOW IT WILL NO LONGER WORK?

If the red/orange/yellow question mark no longer appears in the cruncher window. If you are like me, 90% of the time I turn my head and look at something else while I wait for the cruncher to do whatever it is going to do and I miss the question mark.

[DougGlyndwyr]

POOR DATABASE VIEW?

Why oh why oh why are there multiple of the exact same shard at the exact same level with the exact same ingredients?

Spell Penetration I for example

Some shards you can pick which school you want the XP to go into.

[captainsmyth11]

This weekend I took advantage of leveling up on the server of Sarlona for the 30% bonus.

When the AMOUNT window was added is when the interface went wrong.

A list of the things that went wrong for me

1. INTERFACE IS WONKY

The interface just locks up, has to be closed and re-opened. A lot.

This might be machine OS dependent. The VISTA machine is just bad, but the windows 7 and windows 8 also just stop working a random times.

I have theories on how to mitigate, but it is not consistent.
a) if you can select both a green or a yellow always take the vertical selection bar to the BOTTOM of the window
b) put a number in the amount window

Causes
a) When changing pages of inventory, almost 100% quits working
b) when changing from (jewelry, clothing, armor, weapon) to (select one that is not the same (jewelry, clothing, armor, weapon)) it locks up
c) changing to deconstruct a weapon is really bad at locking up

The only way i've found to fix this is to turn off auto-gather on everything. all bags, all quivers.

[moomooprincess]

All accounts have crafting storage. Which is sort of useful.

As long as you don't mind it not working properly.

Normally, if you keep everything in your inventory, you will get platinum when you deconstruct an item. If you keep ingredients in crafting storage, you get zero platinum

Also, you can have a myriad of other undocumented problems.

My advice, just keep a green bag in your bank filled with stuff. Visit your bank, remove bag, before you deconstruct. Reduces many headaches.

[eachna_gislin]

POOR DATABASE VIEW?

Why oh why oh why are there multiple of the exact same shard at the exact same level with the exact same ingredients?

Spell Penetration I for example

This is because they used to have more specialized shards that did more specific things (mostly the old pre-spellpower shards that boosted spells of particular levels) and when they introduced changes they only half-@ss fixed them by changing the effects but not the cost.

I have no idea if this was a rhetorical question and you already knew the answer, but this used to bug me until I asked.

[eachna_gislin]

first feel your pain. agree with 95%.



Still on the to-do list for '15... it would be the last thing done (providing there is time) and the first thing bumped to '16 (providing there isn't enough time).

Was mentioned by Cordovan (IIRC) last week during one of his livestreams.

After everything that is already planned for this year, Cannith Crafting/Random Loot pass needs to happen, and then the Guild Management System pass needs to happen right after (just before the 10th anniversary/birthday).

What is the Guild Management System pass? check sig.

Well they only have two months to launch it if they want to hit 2015.

[moomooprincess]

Sometimes, when you drag an item to the "Your Ingredients" window and you then select a deconstruction option of with Lorinda's Ultimate Remover(green one) or Parfett's Leading Dissolver(yellow one) the "Your Ingredients" will clear out the item you put in there, but leave the deconstruction object in there.

This has happened to me multiple times and has even happened on the first item I deconstructed.

I have not been able to isolate the cause of this.

Now, I try to deconstruct items by the choice either using ONLY Lorinda's or using ONLY Parfett's.

Everything else that I have listed in this thread, none of it has been fixed.

[moomooprincess]

About the New Loot

Weapons and Armor, all of them give Platinum, XP, and Essences. This is as designed.

Clothing does not give Platinum. See exceptions.
Jewelry does not give Platinum. See exceptions.

There are exceptions to the rule though. I have four jewelry and clothing items that gave platinum.


Theory New Loot with mastercraft on them always gives platinum

NEW LOOT that give platinum when deconstructed
Bracers Staunch of Dodge Bonus, I selected AIR and was given platinum
Deathblock Bracers of Dodge Bonus 2
BELT Deathblock Belt of Stunning 2
Goggles Astute 3 Goggles of Spell Penetration I Mastercraft
GLOVES Magnetism 47 Gloves of Spell Lore 1 Mastercraft
BOOTS Boots of Fire Guard I
BOOTS Evasive 1 Boots of Undead Guard I Mastercraft
BRACERS Ricochet 1 Bracers of Tumble 5 mastercraft
BRACERS Deathblock Bracers of Physical Resistance 0
HELM Enraging 14 Helm of Spellsight 5 mastercraft

All Armor gives platinum
All weapons give platinum

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New Loot DID NOT give platinum
RING Dire Resonating 6 Ring of Combustion 50
RING Dire Radiant 7 Ring of Poison Resistance 12
RING Insulated 14 Ring of Poison Resistance 6
RING Ring of Bluff 6 with untyped Spell Resistance
RING Dire Resonating 8 Ring of Electric Resistance 7
RING Dire Devoted 7 Ring of Tumble 4
RING Hardy 2 Ring of Glaciation 36
RING Corrosive 7 Ring of Physical & Magical Resistance 7
RING Dire Impulse 5 Ring of Protection 1
RING Damping 14 Ring of Negative Resistance 7
RING of Fire Resistance 4

NECKLACE Refurbished 3 Necklace of False Life 3
NECKLACE Refurbished 5 Necklace of Magnetism 48
NECKLACE Resilient 2 Necklace Of Physical and Magical Resistance 2
NECKLACE Refurbished 3 Necklace Of Resonance 41
NECKLACE Lucid 1 Necklace Of Magnetism 34



GOGGLES Focused 4 Goggles of Accuracy 1
GOGGLES Prudent 1 Goggles of Decaying 1
GOGGLES Deceiving 2 Goggles of Spell Penetration 2
GOGGLES Prudent 2 Goggles Open Lock 4
GOGGLES Deceive 2 Goggles of Open Lock 6

BRACERS Robust 2 Bracers of Move Silently 6
BRACERS Resilient 2 Bracers of Physical Resistance 3
BRACERS Realistic 2 Bracers Of Constitution 2

BELT Hardy 1 Belt Swim 3
BELT Hasty 1 Belt Strength 1


GLOVES Dazed 4 Gloves of Spell Lore 2
GLOVES Invigorating 24 Gloves of Resistance 1
GLOVES Hasty 1 Gloves of UMD 1

HAT Bartered 5 Hat of Stunning 2
HELM Daunting 4 Helm of Spot 3
MASK Invigorate 27 Mask of Diplomacy 4
HAT Daunting 5 Hat of Stunning 2
HELM Focused 3 Helm of Spellsight 4
HELM Invigorating 41 Helm of Search 3

CLOAK Astute 2 Cloak of Dodge Bonus 2
CLOAK Covert 3 Cloak of Electric Absorption 12
CLOAK Stalwart 1 Cloak of Intimidate 4
CLOAK Prudent 3 Cloak of Diplomacy 4
CLAOK Sturdy 4 Cloak of Sonic Absorption 11

BOOTS Acrobat 5 Boots of Physical & Magical Resistance 4
BOOTS Visionary 5 Boots of Diversion 3
BOOTS Sturdy 3 Boots of Acid Guard 1
BOOTS Sturdy 6 Boots of Light Guard 1

[moomooprincess]

Most jewelry and clothing do not give platinum when deconstructing, but some do. This cannot be WAI(working as Intended) since some work but most don't.

Right now, it looks like deathblock items and mastercraft items will give platinum, all other jewelry and clothing will not give platinum. You still get XP and essences, just not platinum.

BRACERS Staunch of Dodge Bonus, I selected AIR and was given platinum
BRACERS Deathblock Bracers of Dodge Bonus 2
BRACERS Ricochet 1 Bracers of Tumble 5 mastercraft
BRACERS Deathblock Bracers of Physical Resistance 0

BELT Deathblock Belt of Stunning 2
BELT Deathblock Belt of Jump 6
BELT Hasty 3 Belt of Tumble 5 mastercraft

CLOAK Lucid 2 Cloak of Acid Absorption 16 mastercraft Colorless Augment
CLOAK Feather Falling Cloak with something else NOT mastercraft

Goggles Astute 3 Goggles of Spell Penetration I Mastercraft
GOGGLES Nullified 2 Goggles of Accuracy 3 with Colorless Augment Slot

GLOVES Magnetism 47 Gloves of Spell Lore 1 Mastercraft
GLOVES Hasty 2 Gloves of Resistance 3 mastercraft

BOOTS Boots of Fire Guard I
BOOTS Evasive 1 Boots of Undead Guard I Mastercraft

HELM Enraging 14 Helm of Spellsight 5 mastercraft
HELM Bartered 6 Tiara of Spellsight 5 yellow augment slot

EDIT: Items that have an augment slot on them will give platinum.