Character Builder Lite

[EllisDee37]

I've found a repeatable crash bug in the enhancement level guide.

If I make an Iconic, I don't allocate points until level 15.
My way of doing this was to bank points at all levels until 15, so I have 56 AP banked.
Then when allocating 56 AP, it gets to a certain point and the application exits completely.

However it doesn't crash in the same way when using the "Reset all trees" option and re-allocating 56 points.

Well shoot, I never considered iconics at all. I should add a "bank until 15" command to simplify that.

In the meantime, sending you a PM.

[PrinceMyshkin]

Thanks! This is great! I haven't read the entire thread, so this may have been mentioned:

Bug: The Morninglord Blessing of Amaunator should have 3 ranks. Add the line "Ranks: 3" to the Data/Enhancements.txt file.

Request: For us newbies, it would really be nice if Enhancements indicated if they were active or passive. I could edit all the descriptions, but would have to redo it for every update.

Confirmation: Works great on Linux/Wine with the winetricks installs you mention.

[ArekDorun]

In case you're interested, here's the code I use to make a "codebox" (or "buildbox" if you prefer) for proboards.

[div style="width:800px;border:1px solid black;max-height:400px;overflow:scroll;"]
(build goes here)
[/div]

Yes, this is just a styled html div tag disguised as a bbcode - proboards has no problems handling it. I just put the opening and closing tags in the appropriate boxes for "wrapper".

--ArekDorun

P.S. Responding to your PM now.

[Tahkhesis]

Does anyone have a workaround so I can use this on a Mac? I tried the settings in the 1st post by the OP, but I'm very lame in the ways of cross platform. I do have Wine and Wine Bottler, but can't seem to get this sucker open.

[Ligraph]

Noticed that Weapon Specialization, Greater Weapon Focus, and Greater Weapon Specialization do not show up on the feat list with "show all" selected. They only show up if the prerequisite feats are taken.

[EllisDee37]

Noticed that Weapon Specialization, Greater Weapon Focus, and Greater Weapon Specialization do not show up on the feat list with "show all" selected. They only show up if the prerequisite feats are taken.

That's a side effect of how shared selectors are implemented. When a selector feat requires the same selector chosen in a prereq feat, that logic is handled separately. I can't say offhand why I originally set it up that way, but I'm sure it was a good reason and not just laziness. Yep, totally sure.

Actually, thinking back to a year ago when I set that logic up, I think it was for efficiency. That loop checks every feat in the game against every feat slot, so I wanted to minimize the comparisons.

[EllisDee37]

I've found a repeatable crash bug in the enhancement level guide.

If I make an Iconic, I don't allocate points until level 15.
My way of doing this was to bank points at all levels until 15, so I have 56 AP banked.
Then when allocating 56 AP, it gets to a certain point and the application exits completely.

However it doesn't crash in the same way when using the "Reset all trees" option and re-allocating 56 points.

I haven't looked at the code, but I think I figured out the problem. Unfortunately, it's more of a design issue than a bug.

If you look at the leveling guide output in my Necro Cleric build you can see the tree reset at level 11, and how that's handled. Instead of listing all enhancements on a single line, it uses the same tree structure as the default enhancement output. (By tree by tier.)

Banking 56 AP then spending all 60 AP at level 15 will be a lot of enhancements. Since it's not in tree reset mode, it tries to list them all on a single line. The output area grows to fit the widest line, so I'm guessing it gives you an Out of Memory error (or something similar) when it grows too wide.

I need to rethink the design to handle that situation. Ideally there would be a way to just say "start at level x" and be done with it, but that won't play nice with forum lists, which always start at 1.

For the time being, consider this a Known Issue. I don't yet know how I want to handle it. The simplest workaround would be to spend 1 point in any tree at level 1, then at level 15 reset all trees to kick it into tree reset mode.

[EllisDee37]

Arcane Archer Tier 5: Arrow of Slaying does not require Tier 4: Paralyzing Arrows.

To fix this yourself, search for "Arrow of Slaying" in Data\Enhancements.txt and delete the line that says "All: Tier 4: Paralyzing Arrows". Do this twice, once for Ranger AA and once for Elf AA.

I've corrected wiki, which listed paralyzing arrows as a prereq. (And that's why it was set that way in the builder.)

[Weaver2012]

Love the builder you've made. Just have one problem:

Mobility is a fighter bonus feat.

I've fixed this myself every time you've updated the program, and thought I'd let you know this is one bug you haven't yet fixed.

Thanks.

[mikarddo]

I just tried the program which looks good.

However, I got a "subscript out of range error" which closed it down instantly. I was adding enhancements in the PM tree - where I added Lich before adding the prereqs (which made it reddish) and a few clicks later the error mentioned.

[Ligraph]

Been seeing the same thing periodically, seems to happen when an prerequisites for an enhancement get taken out, then added back in.

[EllisDee37]

Love the builder you've made. Just have one problem:

Mobility is a fighter bonus feat.

I've fixed this myself every time you've updated the program, and thought I'd let you know this is one bug you haven't yet fixed.

Thanks.

That's how I originally set it up, but then changed it due to this feedback. I'll roll up a fighter to confirm myself and then set it accordingly.

[EllisDee37]

I just tried the program which looks good.

However, I got a "subscript out of range error" which closed it down instantly. I was adding enhancements in the PM tree - where I added Lich before adding the prereqs (which made it reddish) and a few clicks later the error mentioned.

Been seeing the same thing periodically, seems to happen when an prerequisites for an enhancement get taken out, then added back in.

Hmmm, that doesn't sound good. I'll see if I can pinpoint the problem.

EDIT: Just to clarify, you're both talking about the Enhancements tab, and not the Leveling Guide, yes?

[Ligraph]

Hmmm, that doesn't sound good. I'll see if I can pinpoint the problem.

EDIT: Just to clarify, you're both talking about the Enhancements tab, and not the Leveling Guide, yes?

I am. I may have had it happen with EDs too, not sure though.

Also, totally unrelated, but if you resize the window and drag one of the corners all the way in, you get an error and the planner closes. Fairly sure that it's letting me set it to 0 size.

[EllisDee37]

if you resize the window and drag one of the corners all the way in, you get an error and the planner closes. Fairly sure that it's letting me set it to 0 size.

Patient: My arm hurts when I move it like this.
Doctor: Don't do that.

heh. I'll take a look, shouldn't be too hard to fix.

I may have had it happen with EDs too, not sure though.

Highly likely. Enhancements and destinies share the same code.

[Augon]

Been getting Run Time errors

The first time I was building a rogue acrobat - I finished adding his feats and clicked "Enhancements" A Run-Time error box popped up. I clicked OK and the program closed.

I had not saved it at all up to that point so I had to start over.

This time, I saved it as I went. I got to the same point, clicked "Enhancements" and it went to the Enhancement page. I dragged Thief-Acrobat over to the left side. No problems so far. Then I dragged Assassin over and as soon as I released it I got a Run Time Error. The exact wording of the error was:

Run-time Error 75
Path/File Access Error

[Augon]

Been getting Run Time errors

The first time I was building a rogue acrobat - I finished adding his feats and clicked "Enhancements" A Run-Time error box popped up. I clicked OK and the program closed.

I had not saved it at all up to that point so I had to start over.

This time, I saved it as I went. I got to the same point, clicked "Enhancements" and it went to the Enhancement page. I dragged Thief-Acrobat over to the left side. No problems so far. Then I dragged Acobat over and as soon as I released it I got a Run Time Error. The exact wording of the error was:

Run-time Error 75
Path/File Access Error

I may have figured this one out on my own. Apparently, it saved this build in my old 1.x folder and not the 2.0 folder. Not sure how that effected it to cause a runtime error - but the program may have been looking for it the wrong place. I opened the saved version up, did a save as to save it in the 2.0 folder and it is letting me work in Enhancements.

[EllisDee37]

The first time I was building a rogue acrobat - I finished adding his feats and clicked "Enhancements" A Run-Time error box popped up. I clicked OK and the program closed.

I had not saved it at all up to that point so I had to start over.

Start over from the very beginning, you mean?

After it crashed, the next time you opened the planner it should have automatically started with the backup copy loaded, which would have included everything from the overview, stats, and skills screen. (And possibly the feats screen too, depending on various factors.)

I dragged Thief-Acrobat over to the left side. No problems so far. Then I dragged Acobat over and as soon as I released it I got a Run Time Error.

This part I don't follow. Two different acrobat trees?

[Augon]

Start over from the very beginning, you mean?

After it crashed, the next time you opened the planner it should have automatically started with the backup copy loaded, which would have included everything from the overview, stats, and skills screen. (And possibly the feats screen too, depending on various factors.)

This part I don't follow. Two different acrobat trees?

Yeah, it started over from the beginning. Didn't load a backup.


I meant to say Assassin tree the second time (corrected it in my post so as to not confuse future readers).

But it appears it was trying to work from the old data location in some ways. I did a save as to the 2.0 data location and it worked fine from that point on.

[Ligraph]

Just saw somewhere that you can add alternate feats (which is totally awesome), any chance of getting something similar for EDs? Reason is that on my caster builds, I run in different EDs depending on the quest and group makeup, e.g. if we have a blaster warlock but no CCer I'll swap a few APs and run in Magister, if burst is needed, I'll use Draconic. Would be awsome to be able to pre-plan these.