Character Builder Lite

[Samones]

Boy, those sorcerer savant trees just flew by. Copy and paste was never so useful.

Now that I'm up to Eldritch Knight, I notice that sorcerer and wizard technically have different versions of Eldritch Knight. (Sorcerer version offers Str, Dex and Cha, Wizard offers Str, Dex and Int.) Does that mean they're actually different trees, like a 10/10 wizard/sorc could take them both and double up on everything in the tree? Or do they lock each other out?

If they lock each other out, my inclination is to just make them a single tree and have the stat options be Str, Dex, Int and Cha.

(EDIT: 12 trees done today, 12 to go!)

I just rolled up a character and they do lock each other out.

[EllisDee37]

I just rolled up a character and they do lock each other out.

Sweet, thanks much for testing that for me.

The single unified Eldritch Knight tree is a go, then, offering Strength, Dexterity, Intelligence and Charisma as the stat choices. I'll add an exception noting Int is only from the wizard tree and Cha from the Sorc tree and call it good enough.

Chasing data errors - it looks like the Sacred Defender Tree is missing the T1 Extra Lay on Hands

Thanks much, all data error reports appreciated. It was indeed missing, so I added it.

[EllisDee37]

Version 0.9.3 is up.

It's possible that existing paladin builds might throw an error when you try to load it due to getting a new enhancement (extra lay on hands) in the sacred defender tree. I will be adding error checking to handle this kind of thing automatically, but it's not in there yet.

My advice is to edit any existing paladin builds to reset the sacred defender tree before downloading the new version, or you might have to recreate the entire build from scratch. Of course, you can always revert to 0.9.2 to fix it via the "All Downloads" link in the OP.

[Ancient]

Under the destiny feats, where do I find epic skill focus spellcraft? Or any epic skill focus for that matter?

(I'm not assuming it isn't there... but I was not able to find it).

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Edit: Also, the enhancements are not showing up in the build export until I spend all 80 points. I had hoped to spend 77 and indicate the last 3 could be spent however.

Edit: Edit: I'm also not seeing my spells. I only had 15 levels of wizard, I wonder if this is because I don't have "all" my spells assigned?

Edit: Edit: Edit: When I didn't pick a destiny feat, it left my feats out of the export. I'm noticing a pattern.

[UurlockYgmeov]

just posted first rough build on forums using this...

awesome. some slight edits (spaces *insert raspberry here* and had to manually add twists)

https://www.ddo.com/forums/showthrea...onic-Barbarian

[Failedlegend]

just posted first rough build on forums using this...

Yours seems alot more messy than LSDs...did you change settings olr something

Here's the actual output from the demos:

Kensei Warpriest
12/8 Fighter/Cleric
Chaotic Good Human


Level Order

1. Fighter. . . . .6. Fighter . . . .11. Cleric . . . . 16. Fighter
2. Fighter. . . . .7. Cleric. . . . .12. Fighter. . . . 17. Fighter
3. Cleric . . . . .8. Fighter . . . .13. Cleric . . . . 18. Fighter
4. Fighter. . . . .9. Cleric. . . . .14. Fighter. . . . 19. Fighter
5. Cleric . . . . 10. Fighter . . . .15. Cleric . . . . 20. Cleric. . . . .


Stats
. . . . . . . .28pt . . 32pt. . .34pt . . 36pt. . .Level Up
. . . . . . . .---- . . ----. . .---- . . ----. . .--------
Strength. . . . 16. . . .18 . . . 18. . . .18 . . . 4: STR
Dexterity . . . .8. . . . 8 . . . .8. . . . 8 . . . 8: STR
Constitution. . 14. . . .14 . . . 14. . . .16 . . .12: STR
Intelligence. . 12. . . .12 . . . 12. . . .12 . . .16: STR
Wisdom. . . . . 10. . . . 8 . . . 10. . . . 8 . . .20: STR
Charisma. . . . 14. . . .14 . . . 14. . . .14 . . .24: STR
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .28: STR

Skills
. . . . . F .F. C .F. C .F. C .F. C .F. C .F. C .F. C .F. F .F. F .C
. . . . . 1 .2. 3 .4. 5 .6. 7 .8. 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20
. . . . .------------------------------------------------------------
Concent . . .1. 4 . . 3 .1. 1 .1. 1 .1. 1 .1. 1 .1. 1 .1. 1 .1. 1 .1. 23
Heal. . . 2 . . . . . 1 . . 3 . . 3 . . 3 . . 3 . . 3 . . . .1. . .3. 22
UMD . . . 2 . . . .1. . .1. . .1. . .1. . .1. . .1. . .1. 1 . . 1 . . 11
Jump. . . 4 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .4
Balance . 1 .1. . .1. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .3
Tumble. . 1 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .1
. . . . .------------------------------------------------------------
. . . . .16 .4. 4 .4. 4 .4. 4 .4. 4 .4. 4 .4. 4 .4. 4 .4. 4 .4. 4 .4


Feats

.1 : Power Attack
.1H: Least Dragonmark of Passage
.1F: Cleave
.2F: Stunning Blow
.3 : Weapon Focus: Slashing
.3C: Follower of the Sovereign Host
.6 : Great Cleave
.6F: Weapon Specialization: Slashing
.9 : Empower Healing Spell
10F: Improved Critical: Slashing
12 : Extend Spell
13C: Unyielding Sovereignty
14F: Greater Weapon Focus: Slashing
15 : Two Handed Fighting
17F: Improved Two Handed Fighting
18 : Greater Two Handed Fighting
19F: Greater Weapon Specialization: Slashing
21E: Overwhelming Critical
24E: Great Ability: Strength
26D: Perfect Two Weapon Fighting
27E: Blinding Speed
28D: Perfect Two Handed Fighting


Spells

1. Cure Light Wounds, Nightshield, Protection From Evil, Divine Favor, <Any>, <Any>
2. Cure Moderate Wounds, Resist Energy, Eagle's Splendor, <Any>, <Any>
3. Cure Serious Wounds, Magic Circle Against Evil, Protection from Energy, Prayer, <Any>
4. Cure Critical Wounds, Death Ward, Freedom of Movement, Divine Power

Destiny

Legendary Dreadnought

1. Legendary Tactics III, Extra Action Boost III, Strength
2. Momentum Swing III, Imp. Power Attack, Strength
3. Lay Waste
4. Volcano's Edge
5. Devastating Critical
6. Master's Blitz, Headman's Chop

Twists of Fate (15 fate points)

1. Sense Weakness (Tier 4 Fury)
2. Rejuvenation Cocoon (Tier 1 Primal)
3. Brace for Impact (Tier 1 Sentinel)

Oxymoronic Barbarian11/7/2 Barbarian/Wizard/Rogue
Chaotic Good Shadar-kai


Level Order
1. Rogue. . . . . .6. Barbarian . . .11. Wizard . . . . 16. Barbarian
2. Barbarian. . . .7. Wizard. . . . .12. Barbarian. . . 17. Barbarian
3. Wizard . . . . .8. Wizard. . . . .13. Wizard . . . . 18. Barbarian
4. Barbarian. . . .9. Wizard. . . . .14. Barbarian. . . 19. Barbarian
5. Wizard . . . . 10. Barbarian . . .15. Rogue. . . . . 20. Barbarian


Stats
. . . . . . . .28pt . . 34pt. . .36pt . . Tome. . .Level Up
. . . . . . . .---- . . ----. . .---- . . ----. . .--------
Strength. . . . 13. . . .15 . . . 15. . . .+6 . . . 4: INT
Dexterity . . . 10. . . .10 . . . 12. . . .+6 . . . 8: INT
Constitution. . 17. . . .17 . . . 17. . . .+6 . . .12: INT
Intelligence. . 16. . . .17 . . . 17. . . .+6 . . .16: INT
Wisdom. . . . . .8. . . . 8 . . . .8. . . .+6 . . .20: INT
Charisma. . . . .6. . . . 6 . . . .6. . . .+6 . . .24: INT
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .28: INT


Skills
. . . . . R .B. W .B. W .B. W .W. W .B. W .B. W .B. R .B. B .B. B .B
. . . . . 1 .2. 3 .4. 5 .6. 7 .8. 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20
. . . . .------------------------------------------------------------
Spot. . . 4 .1. 1 .½. ½ .½. ½ .½. ½ .1. 1 .1. 1 .1. 4 .1. 1 .1. 1 .1. 23
UMD . . . 4 .1. 1 .1. 1 .1. 1 .1. 1 .1. 1 .1. 1 .1. 1 .1. 1 .1. 1 .1. 23
Repair. . 4 . . . . . 1 . . 1 .1. 2 .½. . .1. 1 .1. 1 .1½ 1½ 1½ 1½ 1½ 21
Disable . 4 .½. ½ .1. ½ .1. ½ .½. ½ .1. ½ .1. ½ .1. 3 .1. 1 .1. 1 .1. 21
Search. . 4 .1. . .1. ½ .1. ½ .½. ½ .1. 1 .1. 1 .1. 1 .1. 1 .1. 1 .1. 20
Open Lo . 4 . . . .½. . .½. . .½. . . . . . . . . . 4 . . . . . . .½. 10
Listen. . 4 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .4
Balance . 4 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .4
Jump. . . 4 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .4
Haggle. . 4 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .4
Bluff . . 3 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .3
Tumble. . 1 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .1
. . . . .------------------------------------------------------------
. . . . .44 .7. 5 .8. 6 .8. 6 .7. 7 .9. 7 10. 8 10 14 11 11 11 11 12


Feats
.1. . . . : Power Attack
.3. . . . : Cleave
.3 Wizard : Empower Spell
.6. . . . : Great Cleave
.9. . . . : Two Handed Fighting
.9 Wizard : Mental Toughness
12. . . . : Improved Critical: Slashing
15. . . . : Insightful Reflexes
18. . . . : Improved Two Handed Fighting
21 Epic . : Overwhelming Critical
24 Epic . : Greater Two Handed Fighting
26 Destiny: Perfect Two Handed Fighting
27 Epic . : Maximize Spell
28 Destiny: Mass Frog


Spells
. .1. Expeditious Retreat, Jump, Shield, Sonic Blast, Grease
. .2. Electric Loop, Lesser Death Aura(swap out later), Web, Blur
. .3. Displacement, Haste, Rage
. .4. Dimension Door, Death Aura (swap out later)


Enhancements
Occult Slayer (7 AP)
. . • Weapon Bond
. . . . .1. Extend Rage III, Ear Smash III


Archmage (11 AP)
. . • Invisibility, Blur, Displacement
. . . . .1. Energy of the Scholar III, Wand and Scroll Mastery II


Eldritch Knight (1 AP)
. . • Eldritch Strike


Ravager (38 AP)
. . • Furious Rage, Pain Touch, Demoralizing Success
. . . . .1. Ritual Scarring III, Hate III, Do You Like Pain? III, Barbarian Power Attack III, Hardy Rage III
. . . . .2. I Like Pain III, Melee Power Boost III
. . . . .3. Slaughter III
. . . . .4. Laughter, I Hit Back! III
. . . . .5. Blood Strength, Critical Rage II


Harper Agent (23 AP)
. . • Agent of Good I, Intelligence
. . . . .1. Harper Enchantment, Strategic Combat
. . . . .2. Versatile Adept III, Know the Angles I
. . . . .3. Highly Skilled III, Versatile Adept III, Strategic Combat, Intelligence
. . . . .4. Intelligence


Twists of Fate
1. Volcano's Edge
2. Lay Waste
3. Momentum Swing
5 Rejuvenation Cocoon

[Ancient]

I just posted an update to NovaSoul on the latest variant I was playing. Your utility made it a lot more fun and easy to throw a readable build up without spending a huge amount of time trying to get the formatting right. Not only is it less time... it looks better.

Amazing work! Thank you.

I added a 15 wiz/3 fighter/2 FVS variant I call the Warthog.

[UurlockYgmeov]

Yours seems alot more messy than LSDs...did you change settings olr something

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*doh* forgot to use the bbcode version - fixed.

[EllisDee37]

Under the destiny feats, where do I find epic skill focus spellcraft? Or any epic skill focus for that matter?

Epic Skill Focus is in the group "Destiny", as a single feat with each skill (except UMD) as a selector. Note that it requires 20 trained ranks in the skill to take the feat for that skill.

I do see that it's missing some skills, including spellcraft and heal. I'll add those in.

Edit: Also, the enhancements are not showing up in the build export until I spend all 80 points. I had hoped to spend 77 and indicate the last 3 could be spent however.

Edit: Edit: I'm also not seeing my spells. I only had 15 levels of wizard, I wonder if this is because I don't have "all" my spells assigned?

Edit: Edit: Edit: When I didn't pick a destiny feat, it left my feats out of the export. I'm noticing a pattern.

Yep, those are all by design. The idea is that any section that isn't complete or has errors isn't included in the output.

Should that change, do you think?

[EllisDee37]

had to manually add twists

Is the twist screen not working? It's the second "tab" of the destiny screen.

[UurlockYgmeov]

Is the twist screen not working? It's the second "tab" of the destiny screen.

one never knows with WinX. :P

[Munkenmo]

Just started using this (with linux Mint) absolutely love it Ellis. I can easily foresee my spreadsheet folder getting abandoned.

[EllisDee37]

Epic Skill Focus was inexplicably missing Heal and Spellcraft, but no others. Very weird. That alone isn't enough to warrant a whole new update, but since it's kind of a pain to add them in manually, here's the corrected Epic Skill Focus entry if you'd like to copy & paste it over the existing one in your Feats.txt file:

FeatName: Epic Skill Focus
Group: Destiny, Misc
Level: 26
Selector: Balance, Bluff, Concentration, Diplomacy, Disable Device, Haggle, Heal, Hide, Intimidate, Jump, Listen, Move Silently, Open Lock, Perform, Repair, Search, Spellcraft, Spot, Swim, Tumble
SelectorName: Balance
Skill: Balance 20
SelectorName: Bluff
Skill: Bluff 20
SelectorName: Concentration
Skill: Concentration 20
SelectorName: Diplomacy
Skill: Diplomacy 20
SelectorName: Disable Device
Skill: Disable Device 20
SelectorName: Haggle
Skill: Haggle 20
SelectorName: Heal
Skill: Heal 20
SelectorName: Hide
Skill: Hide 20
SelectorName: Intimidate
Skill: Intimidate 20
SelectorName: Jump
Skill: Jump 20
SelectorName: Listen
Skill: Listen 20
SelectorName: Move Silently
Skill: Move Silently 20
SelectorName: Open Lock
Skill: Open Lock 20
SelectorName: Perform
Skill: Perform 20
SelectorName: Repair
Skill: Repair 20
SelectorName: Search
Skill: Search 20
SelectorName: Spellcraft
Skill: Spellcraft 20
SelectorName: Spot
Skill: Spot 20
SelectorName: Swim
Skill: Swim 20
SelectorName: Tumble
Skill: Tumble 20

[EllisDee37]

Feats

.1. . . . : Insightful Reflexes
.1 Purple : Toughness

Ha! Not sure what I was thinking; perhaps I was giddy with the idea of having seven letters to play with, but "Purple"?! Yeah, changing that to "PDK" as I type this...

Aha, I see what happened. When I was writing the code for racial bonus feats, I didn't realize at the time that PDKs get a bonus feat. I thought it was only human and half-elf. So it's trying to write the full "Purple Dragon Knight" but the output code enforces a hard 7-character limit.

I'm going to go ahead and pull that out of the code and put the abbreviations in the data file where they belong.

EDIT: I also see in testing that "Purple Dragon Knight" doesn't play nice with the "Source" column on the feats screen. Fixing that as well.

EDIT 2: All fixed. Not sure when I'm uploading the next version. Maybe this weekend.

[EllisDee37]

had to manually add twists

Aha, I see the issue. The entire destiny section including twists is suppressed in output becase you don't have a complete and error-free destiny set up.

[Ancient]

Aha, I see the issue. The entire destiny section including twists is suppressed in output becase you don't have a complete and error-free destiny set up.

Could you have an option to output incomplete/error sections and just put a message in the output?

[EllisDee37]

Could you have an option to output incomplete/error sections and just put a message in the output?

Any way we want to make it work is fine by me, and shouldn't be hard to implement. I'm open to any suggestions. You think a single (global) checkbox would suffice? Or maybe should enhancements and destinies always output incomplete (but not error) regardless of the checkbox? And should the checkbox be for incomplete, error, or both?


On an unrelated note, tonight for the first time I used the planner as a user to actually plan a build, and there's a lot I like about it. I particularly like the spell screen telling me which levels I get which spell slots. But I have encountered several minor bugs that I either corrected or put on the to do list. Buggy buggy buggy! Heh. Here's my list so far:

- Enhancement tree reordering doesn't deactivate drop slots on cancel
- Dragging enhancements is inelegant when they extend far enough to scroll
- Draconic Tier 4: Secondary not showing "None" for opposing element
- Closing spells screen doesn't re-generate output (fixed)

[Ancient]

Any way we want to make it work is fine by me, and shouldn't be hard to implement. I'm open to any suggestions. You think a single (global) checkbox would suffice? Or maybe should enhancements and destinies always output incomplete (but not error) regardless of the checkbox? And should the checkbox be for incomplete, error, or both?

My preference would be to either have a single checkbox to include incomplete sections OR have some type of warning when you export. In my case, I exported a build and was not aware I was missing sections until after I had posted it. A minor thing, but I've seen others doing it too. The big issue is thinking the export was complete when it was not. However you address that, will be fine with me.

[mna]

Any way we want to make it work is fine by me, and shouldn't be hard to implement. I'm open to any suggestions. You think a single (global) checkbox would suffice? Or maybe should enhancements and destinies always output incomplete (but not error) regardless of the checkbox? And should the checkbox be for incomplete, error, or both?

I'd think, would be nice to have separate checkboxes for incomplete and errors, and default to output yes on incomplete, no on errors.

And in any case, both always generating a notification line in the output would make sense.

I mean, having incomplete destinies planned when reincarnating should be a valid use-case; same with enhancements when doing up builds for general audience where the remainder will depend on available gear and such. But yes, I know it's feature creep...

[Grailhawk]

If this is already asked and answered just ignore it but is there anyway you can add a button (far right maybe) for each skill that just maxes it at each level? e.g. I know all my toons will just max UMD each and every level regardless of how many skill points it takes.