Character Builder Lite

[Ctype]

Just a point of clarification. Tomes work differently on the life you first eat the tome from when they are auto applied in a subsequent life.

Ron's planner works properly for the life in which you eat the tome, as the tome has a min level that requires you to have taken that level before you can eat the tome. On subsequent lives the tome is auto applied by the system at the beginning of the leveling process, so you can get an extra skill point when the INT tome kicks in and makes your INT even.

While auto-applied tomes are the norm now days, they were not possible for most of the life of Ron's planner, because you lost all of your tomes when you TR'd...

Also, there is a fairly easy work around for this. If you are going to get the tome benefits from an auto applied tome from a previous life, just tell Ron's planner that you ate the tome one level earlier. IE tell it that you ate auto-applied tomes at levels 2/6/10/14 and/or 18 instead of 3/7/11/15/19.

You are absolutely correct ofc. Good clarification. And its not that hard to handle 2 extra skillpoints over 20 levels - just a little thing that was annoying for me. And I should also say that i love Rons planner - no critic there - its awesome. But with every thing you love there is always something small that irks you hehe.

I also lovet that there finally is an alternative that look nice.

[UurlockYgmeov]

As I enter the Divine Disciple tree, what rules should I enforce for efficient metamagics? Should I make them anti-reqs with all other trees' versions of the same? Or just ignore foreign trees?

I think there's a couple that still stack with each other in-game.

KISS - minimalist design approach.

[Xionanx]

Like the way that video looks. Looking forward to using this.

[EllisDee37]

Quick update on trees, have recently entered:

Harper Agent
Halfling (was connected to Harper)
Vanguard
Knight of the Chalice
Sacred Defender
Divine Disciple
Radiant Servant

[skorpeon]

Quick update on trees, have recently entered:

Harper Agent
Halfling (was connected to Harper)
Vanguard
Knight of the Chalice
Sacred Defender
Divine Disciple
Radiant Servant

good work, now would probably a good time to download this and do some testing.

[UurlockYgmeov]

Quick update on trees, have recently entered:

Harper Agent
Halfling (was connected to Harper)
Vanguard
Knight of the Chalice
Sacred Defender
Divine Disciple
Radiant Servant

+7!!!

good work, now would probably a good time to download this and do some testing.

patience grasshopper!

[MagicalDad]

I've been working on a character builder since Christmas, and it's coming along pretty well so far. Adopting a minimalist philosophy -- thus the "Lite" -- it's geared toward people with a decent working knowledge of the game. Truth be told, I envision using it with ddowiki open in another window.

That looks great - would love to give it a spin. Hmm, could integrate w/ DDOWiki - instead of having to cache all the feat/ability descriptions, just include a DDOWiki link (page#section), and could pop a small HTML preview window on hover that would fetch from DDOWiki? Just a thought.

[UurlockYgmeov]

That looks great - would love to give it a spin. Hmm, could integrate w/ DDOWiki - instead of having to cache all the feat/ability descriptions, just include a DDOWiki link (page#section), and could pop a small HTML preview window on hover that would fetch from DDOWiki? Just a thought.

interesting idea.

[EllisDee37]

Hmm, could integrate w/ DDOWiki - instead of having to cache all the feat/ability descriptions, just include a DDOWiki link (page#section), and could pop a small HTML preview window on hover that would fetch from DDOWiki? Just a thought.

That's not a bad idea. At very least I could offer links to the feat/spell/tree/destiny page of whatever ability you clicked on. Maybe add a link to the details window.

[Alkusoittow]

That's not a bad idea. At very least I could offer links to the feat/spell/tree/destiny page of whatever ability you clicked on. Maybe add a link to the details window.

If you want a beta tester or want some developmental help, let me know. I'd be happy to look at it and provide feedback. I was a programmer before I decided to go back to school (current a grad student), and this looks like a nice, fun departure from the norm during spring break (next week). Let me know!

[mna]

Please don't disrespect Ron, even if LSDs planner turns out to be 1000x better Ron was and always will be worthy of thanks and praise of the entire DDO Community & Staff. Beside IIRC LSD said Ron helped her (to what degree I can't remember)

Oh, I've used it, and it is a very good tool - as long as you have a Windows system to run it on.

To clarify, he's not saying Ron's planner is bad. He's saying he couldn't run Ron's planner at all because it doesn't run on Wine.

The "much better" part isn't referring to the planners themselves, it's referring to the idea that mine will run on his computer. To run Ron's planner he has to find another computer to use that has Windows installed.

To your larger point, I strongly agree. No disrespect to Ron's planner or the team behind it. They've consistently done great work and I look forward to version 5.

Yes, I'm looking forward to that one too - two of the kids' "games PCs" do still have Windows on them (even though at least one of them runs, DDO included, much better on Linux than on Windows), and they've been using Ron's planner by themselves already. So it's not like I wouldn't have access to it when really needed, in fact... but a lot of the rest of the DDO-on-Linux crowd don't.



(Lesser Dragonmark problem when running on Wine)

If you mean the feat, it's named Least Dragonmark, and will have selectors based on your race. One thing to try to see if it appears for you is to click on the feat slot where you want to put it, which filters the list to show feats that go in that slot. If it still doesn't appear, try checking the Show All checkbox.

No, the feat is just fine, and racial tier 1 Dragonmark Focus enhancement seems to be fine too, and the Greater Dragonmark too actually but...

I just can't take the Lesser Dragonmark enhancement. Doesn't give a list of dragonmarks in the "Selectors" box at all, unlike DM Focus and Greater DM where I can see a list of the four that are available for humans. Show All doesn't help. (Well, except that I had to use it to check the Greater DM.)


Sort of funny if that ends up being a Wine bug.

Cannot usefully compare to the previous version (0.9) due to the font thing.

[mna]

(Lesser Dragonmark problem when running on Wine)


No, the feat is just fine, and racial tier 1 Dragonmark Focus enhancement seems to be fine too, and the Greater Dragonmark too actually but...

I just can't take the Lesser Dragonmark enhancement. Doesn't give a list of dragonmarks in the "Selectors" box at all, unlike DM Focus and Greater DM where I can see a list of the four that are available for humans. Show All doesn't help. (Well, except that I had to use it to check the Greater DM.)


Sort of funny if that ends up being a Wine bug.

Cannot usefully compare to the previous version (0.9) due to the font thing.

... anyone else test this?

Since, well, I tweaked things a bit and got it to work...

I added a single space on line 427 in Data/Enhancements.txt.

~/.wine/drive_c/Program Files/CharacterBuilderLite/Data$ rcsdiff  ./Enhancements.txt 
===================================================================
RCS file: ./RCS/Enhancements.txt,v
retrieving revision 1.1
diff -r1.1 ./Enhancements.txt
427c427
< SharedSelector: Tier 1: Dragonmark Focus
---
> Shared Selector: Tier 1: Dragonmark Focus

I note that Data/ReadMe.txt says the version without the space is correct, and it occurs several times in Data/Feats.txt too and works there, so there might be something funny going on in here.

[EllisDee37]

Technically, what's happening is that the space between "Shared" and "Selector" makes it an unrecognized line, and thus ignored. You aren't supposed to be able to choose from all four; you can only choose options where you actually took the dragonmark feat, and then you are locked into a single line from there. So the greater dragonmark (which had the incorrect space between words) is incorrectly showing all four options when it should only be showing the single option that corresponds with the choices you made in tier 1 and 2.

I'm much more of a programmer than a data entry guy, so it's unsurprising to see errors in the data file. There have been countless times I typed in "Shared Selector" only to realize afterward that I accidentally put in the space.

[EllisDee37]

I got four more trees in, totaling 21, but I'm trying to get a "View Data" screen in place to make it easier to verify data, as opposed to having to create a legitimate build before you can see the trees. So likely tomorrow for the next update.

[UurlockYgmeov]

I got four more trees in, totaling 21, but I'm trying to get a "View Data" screen in place to make it easier to verify data, as opposed to having to create a legitimate build before you can see the trees. So likely tomorrow for the next update.

sweet!

[Failedlegend]

That looks great - would love to give it a spin. Hmm, could integrate w/ DDOWiki - instead of having to cache all the feat/ability descriptions, just include a DDOWiki link (page#section), and could pop a small HTML preview window on hover that would fetch from DDOWiki? Just a thought.

That's not a bad idea. At very least I could offer links to the feat/spell/tree/destiny page of whatever ability you clicked on. Maybe add a link to the details window.

This would actually be really cool but what would it do if your not connected to the net? (I often use Ron's Planner at my buddy's cottage or at say the bus stop)

If the answer is nothing than thats cool, the issue is if it crashes or something.

[mna]

Technically, what's happening is that the space between "Shared" and "Selector" makes it an unrecognized line, and thus ignored. You aren't supposed to be able to choose from all four; you can only choose options where you actually took the dragonmark feat, and then you are locked into a single line from there. So the greater dragonmark (which had the incorrect space between words) is incorrectly showing all four options when it should only be showing the single option that corresponds with the choices you made in tier 1 and 2.

I'm much more of a programmer than a data entry guy, so it's unsurprising to see errors in the data file. There have been countless times I typed in "Shared Selector" only to realize afterward that I accidentally put in the space.

... I find showing all of them to be more useful than showing none, anyway. (The greater DM also shows none if I remove the space. That I tried first, actually.)
The correct functionality, showing exactly one SLA for both lesser and greater DM, I haven't seen yet. Did that part work correctly on Windows in the uploaded 0.9.1 version?



I did get it to display exactly one lesser and greater dragonmark each, by house names but not the SLAs they grant, by removing the erroneous space and then dropping the override name lines completely from both lesser and greater DMs.


Therefore it looks like there might be something funny in how this thing parses the "override" Selector: line in a SharedSelector: context.


Edit: I edited the Deflect Arrows reference out of Swashbuckler so I can test that tree too, and it looks like it may have the same issue. Swashbuckling Style 2 does not offer any selectors at all.

In this version at least... waiting for the next version to be tested. ;-)

[EllisDee37]

Hmmm, that could very well be an issue with selector overrides. Swashbuckling Style II is the poster child for the functionality: A selector list that is determined by what you chose in another ability's selector list (Swashbuckling Style I) but which has its own, unique selector names. I'll take a look at that before I post the next update.

View data is coming along well enough that I'm tossing in a quickie search functionality. The idea being you type in some text, and it gives you a list of all feats/enhancements/destinies that contain that text, either in the name, the abbreviation, or in any of its selectors. That way, for instance, if you wanted to know if martial weapon proficiency is in there, you could type in "martial" and it would give you the following list:

Feat: Improved Martial Arts
Feat: Proficiency: Martial Weapon
Fatesinger Tier 4: Echoes: Martial
Kensei Tier 0: Kensei Focus: Martial Arts

[Ancient]

Hmmm, that could very well be an issue with selector overrides. Swashbuckling Style II is the poster child for the functionality: A selector list that is determined by what you chose in another ability's selector list (Swashbuckling Style I) but which has its own, unique selector names. I'll take a look at that before I post the next update.

View data is coming along well enough that I'm tossing in a quickie search functionality. The idea being you type in some text, and it gives you a list of all feats/enhancements/destinies that contain that text, either in the name, the abbreviation, or in any of its selectors. That way, for instance, if you wanted to know if martial weapon proficiency is in there, you could type in "martial" and it would give you the following list:

Feat: Improved Martial Arts
Feat: Proficiency: Martial Weapon
Fatesinger Tier 4: Echoes: Martial
Kensei Tier 0: Kensei Focus: Martial Arts

This is sounding awesome! I have a new(ish) build I'd like to write up using this. Any chance you could put a link in the first post of the thread to your latest version?

[EllisDee37]

Any chance you could put a link in the first post of the thread to your latest version?

I've been thinking of cannibalizing the OP to just make this the full release thread instead of starting a new one. This forum moves so slowly* that it seems pointless to spend two threads on the front page on this. Once we get to the first full release with all data entered I'll ask the mods to remove the (in development) part of the title, but in the meantime I see no harm in revamping the OP sooner than that.

I expect to post the next new version within the next few hours; I'll update the OP then.

*Right now, the oldest thread on the first page is five months old.