+20 hearts in U23?

[elgranmago13]

I would not expect anything based on this tweet:
"DDO Unlimited @DDOUnlimited · Sep 7
Are you planning to roll up/TR into a melee class when Update 23 arrives?"

[Amundir]

Fred is always an option, if your only concern is different feats. And care to spend the time to do it.

[Ausdoerrt]

None of them are my main, are at cap or almost, and i don't want to spend time to re-do. I do not demand but it would be nice to get a LR. It's just a suggestion.

Cheers

Pretty much this.

[Cetus]

A +20 heart is almost mandatory with these changes.

Are you any kind of fighter? You need to LR

Do you have overwhelming crit? You might want to LR

Do you want to use a shield with vanguard? Don't know why you would...but LR

If we don't get a heart, that'll be a blatant back hand across the face.

[HastyPudding]

A +20 heart is almost mandatory with these changes.

Are you any kind of fighter? You need to LR

Do you have overwhelming crit? You might want to LR

Do you want to use a shield with vanguard? Don't know why you would...but LR

If we don't get a heart, that'll be a blatant back hand across the face.

The change to overwhelming critical does seem a bit demanding. What are they going to do, take away the feat and leave an empty slot? Free feat exchange token? +20 LR seems drastic, but something has to be done with so many feats being changed. A free LR would seem far more likely.

[relenttless]

Of course,if a few months ago a mis-guided white-knight hadn't posted on these forums that Lockania was giving away infinite feat swaps this wouldn't be an issue.

[Uska]

A +20 heart is almost mandatory with these changes.

Are you any kind of fighter? You need to LR

Do you have overwhelming crit? You might want to LR

Do you want to use a shield with vanguard? Don't know why you would...but LR

If we don't get a heart, that'll be a blatant back hand across the face.

To,do,most of those things you don't need a +20 heart just a LR would do,the trick

[FlaviusMaximus]

TR and rebuild...it's efficient

Hahaha. You and I have different definitions of "efficient".

From the dictionary: "Achieving maximum productivity with minimum wasted effort or expense."

If you are sitting on a pile of duped stones, it's efficient. Otherwise, not so much.

[Cetus]

To,do,most of those things you don't need a +20 heart just a LR would do,the trick

I gave 3 examples, "most" would imply 2 - which is incorrect.

If you want vanguard you'd need fighter levels. If you don't have any fighter levels, your "just an LR" won't work.

To become a paladin, you'd need more than "just an LR".

That's 2 out of 3, nullifying the "most" part of your sentence.

[FestusHood]

The original +20 hearts were given out because with the sweeping enhancement changes, many builds were literally broken. That's a different thing than them coming out with something you think you might like better.

If somebody wants to try vanguard or paladin after the changes, i don't really see how that's different than somebody who wants to try any given class or build now. If i decide right now that i want to play a fighter, but my only character is a rogue, is that justification for expecting a +20 heart?

[EllisDee37]

The original +20 hearts were given out because with the sweeping enhancement changes, many builds were literally broken. That's a different thing than them coming out with something you think you might like better.

Agreed. I'm not seeing any reasonable argument that would justify handing out hearts.

Are you any kind of fighter? You need to LR

Why? Is U23 going to break fighters?

[Uska]

I gave 3 examples, "most" would imply 2 - which is incorrect.

If you want vanguard you'd need fighter levels. If you don't have any fighter levels, your "just an LR" won't work.

To become a paladin, you'd need more than "just an LR".

That's 2 out of 3, nullifying the "most" part of your sentence.

You didn't say if you had fighter levels did you and I actually don't think should give even LR much less a+20 heart you just want to argue and cry for,it's own sake

And for all of your examples as they are written a LR would work so it proves my point

[blerkington]

Hi,

I prefer not to reincarnate right after an update, so I did mine a couple of weeks ago.

Thanks.

[Pescha]

You didn't say if you had fighter levels did you and I actually don't think should give even LR much less a+20 heart you just want to argue and cry for,it's own sake

And for all of your examples as they are written a LR would work so it proves my point

You can't change classes through a simple LR as you imply.

[PsychoBlonde]

You can't change classes through a simple LR as you imply.

So roll a new toon. That's what you do if you want to try out a different build. TR, buy an LR, or roll a new toon. The only time they should hand out LR's or hearts is when they are *forcing* you to do a different build, not when they're opening up the *possibility* for you to do this.

[Uska]

You can't change classes through a simple LR as you imply.

I implied nothing for crit you just do feats and if you need to change classes just because you want to try the new line either reroll or tr

[Lifespawn]

Agreed. I'm not seeing any reasonable argument that would justify handing out hearts.

Why? Is U23 going to break fighters?

an lr 20 would be too much imo but an lr3 or 5 would be justified with these changes plus the divine grace changes upcoming my ek 16 sorc 2 fvs 2 pally build finds those pally levels useless with the saves cap along with any of the prevalent 2 pally splash builds.

[JOTMON]

The original +20 hearts were given out because with the sweeping enhancement changes, many builds were literally broken. That's a different thing than them coming out with something you think you might like better.

If somebody wants to try vanguard or paladin after the changes, i don't really see how that's different than somebody who wants to try any given class or build now. If i decide right now that i want to play a fighter, but my only character is a rogue, is that justification for expecting a +20 heart?

Yes, because your rogue would want to run the new content and be a contributor, so he will need to become a paladin.

[Mryal]

Yes, because your rogue would want to run the new content and be a contributor, so he will need to become a paladin.

Its funny how true this is :P

Heart doesnt allows you to become lawfully good thought.I dont think turbine is going to give out hearts.Im alredy doing a TR in advance.Maybe you all should too!

[JOTMON]

Its funny how true this is :P

Heart doesnt allows you to become lawfully good thought.I dont think turbine is going to give out hearts.Im alredy doing a TR in advance.Maybe you all should too!

Already working out particulars to TR my soon to be useless Epic Completionist sireth wielding trapper cleric
~Turns are useless in this level of content along with undead red names.
~Quells & beholders & mid 50's saves & multiple waves of mana draining Inferno & lightning Immune Abbot= not useful in EE new Raid
... except maybe to wandwhip ice islands between encasements and failed spell casts.

Bladeforged Divine Crusader Paladin looks promising...
High Saves, Immunities, and UMD for stacks of Resurrection scrolls looks more useful than trying to spam pot chugging half successful heals at scattered players with quells, beholders and level drains and healing cursed inferno's with no shrines or mana regen options.