REMOVE Level Restrictions!

[somethingtosay]

[Qhualor]

Seriously just DO IT! Especially now when you made ETR wheel of endless grind.

I couldn't even run freakin Gianthold.

And minimum level for new raids is 26? Hello I paid for this content so it would be nice if I could actually run it (and not just that short time I go from level 26 to 28 -_-). And let's be honest, most of the power is in EDs and most of the people have it capped at level 20.

Minimum level raids is nothing new and using the "I paid for it" is not good reasoning.

I'm assuming you reincarnate as soon as you hit 28. If you want to run the raid, nothing says you must reincarnate right away.

You assume too much with "most people". I guess I'm in the minority than.

[TrinityTurtle]

Minimum level raids is nothing new and using the "I paid for it" is not good reasoning.

I'm assuming you reincarnate as soon as you hit 28. If you want to run the raid, nothing says you must reincarnate right away.

You assume too much with "most people". I guess I'm in the minority than.

I don't think you're in the minority Q. "Most" of the people I know are always at me to help them farm xp for destinies. I'm probably the worst person in the world to ask for that, as I just drift from quest to quest, I can't stand endless repetition and the boredom of it just for xp, but I get asked to do it a lot.

[HungarianRhapsody]

Minimum level raids is nothing new and using the "I paid for it" is not good reasoning.

"I paid for it" is perfectly reasonable. If you're not strong enough to complete the content, then you'll fail the quest or raid and you'll either try again or you'll move on to another quest/raid. If you are strong enough to complete the content, then the level restriction wasn't needed to keep you out in the first place.

"You must be at least THIS level to ride the quest" restrictions are silly and actively make the game worse. We already have the power leveling restrictions. That's plenty to take care of the Heroic levels and powerleveling isn't meaningful in the Epic levels since my ED capped Epic Reincarnated level 20 character is going to be substantially more powerful than my level 28 character who is starting out in a brand new off-destiny.

Level restrictions are a Bad Thing(tm)

[Qhualor]

The "I paid for it so I deserve it" or the "I paid for it so I should be able to do what I want" mentality should never affect how this game is designed.

/enter drama

[HungarianRhapsody]

The "I paid for it so I deserve it" or the "I paid for it so I should be able to do what I want" mentality should never affect how this game is designed.

/enter drama

"I paid for it, so I deserve to complete the quest and get the loot" shouldn't affect how the game is designed.

"I paid for it, so I deserve the opportunity to try to complete it and 99% of the people will fail when they try" is perfectly reasonable.

What's wrong with letting people try content that is "too difficult" for them? Either they'll succeed, in which case it obviously wasn't too difficult or they'll fail, in which case there was no problem with letting them try.

[Gljosh]

The "I paid for it so I deserve it" or the "I paid for it so I should be able to do what I want" mentality should never affect how this game is designed.

/enter drama

I understand your view point. However, Epic Level quest should be open to Epic Level characters (EDs made level almost pointless). I have seen level 12 characters run Shroud before, he pretty much rode in a back pack. I HTR, Etr, and ITR quite frequently, if I Etr and can't run some quests, then if I don't own the packs I have no reason to buy them. If enough people have this mentality then things might change.

[Qhualor]

"I paid for it, so I deserve to complete the quest and get the loot" shouldn't affect how the game is designed.

"I paid for it, so I deserve the opportunity to try to complete it and 99% of the people will fail when they try" is perfectly reasonable.

What's wrong with letting people try content that is "too difficult" for them? Either they'll succeed, in which case it obviously wasn't too difficult or they'll fail, in which case there was no problem with letting them try.

if that was actually the reason the OP used or if he said he wanted the minimum level reduced so it would offer more players available to run the raid, than that's fine. i don't have a problem with that reasoning. when the "i paid for it so the level requirement should be lowered" becomes the reason, than its not a logical reason for the devs to change it.

[EllisDee37]

And no I don't sit at level 28 forever because there is nothing to do and no I won't be sitting there just because I want to run two raids.

Two raids = not "nothing to do." Not enough to do, probably, but definitely not "nothing."

[Vellrad]

2 facts:

1. Minimum level required to enter quests is dumb.
2. Its irrelevant for raids; noone will take you if you're 20 or 21 or something like that.

[Qhualor]

Sorry but I don't get your logic. I love challenges and I enjoy running quests on EE. I was pretty excited about beating some GH EEs at level 20 just to find out I can't even enter.

When the new raids came out, I have run them a lot with my guild. Then I decided to ETR and the same day we had raid night again. So I buffed up, run to ES, run to Thunder Peaks....and what the heck? Well good luck guys, I guess I'll go afk on ship.

in your OP you used "because i paid for it" as your logic. that is why i posted the way i did.

not being able to get into quests because of your level has to do with a certain exploit awhile back. the fix was a band aid it appears. as far as minimum level for raids, i listed a good argument to use instead of "because i paid for it".

[Ungood]

I had thought this was going to be a post about removing the level restrictions on gear and items, which would be ideal in the Epic game with Epic TR, that way you can just focus on getting the best items, and not worry about gear sets for level steps for just 8 levels.

[Ungood]

I don't think we need more power creep.

Well then I guess we can all suffer with level restrictions.

[Saekee]

I was recently thinking that we should have Maximum level restrictions to prevent level 28 farmers of favor and heroic gear...well, maybe the OP is right--let someone decide for themselves if they can do content or not. When posting for a PUG you can set the level range so that limits problems there.

[Ungood]

How is that related with power creep? I want more challenge in game. I want it as it was before. I want to run Tempest Spine at level 7.

No one really believes that "I want more Challenge" line, So what's your real motive to want to get in on a level 30 raid with a toon that does not have the gear to be able to handle it?

[Tscheuss]

Not good reasoning? And what is your reasoning for the fact that some content is available only for level 26-28? And no I don't sit at level 28 forever because there is nothing to do and no I won't be sitting there just because I want to run two raids. This mechanic is just stupid and there is nothing to convince me otherwise.

Before long, the level cap will be raised to 30. Then you will have twice the levels at which you can run the high end content.

[General_Gronker]

i listed a good argument to use instead of "because i paid for it".

Except you're working from a flawed premise. "I paid for it" is all that is necessary for the opportunity to play it. Your like or dislike of the position has no bearing on its validity. Period. It's not like he's asking to automatically succeed or something because he paid for it.

[HungarianRhapsody]

No one really believes that "I want more Challenge" line, So what's your real motive to want to get in on a level 30 raid with a toon that does not have the gear to be able to handle it?

I can't solo In The Flesh on any character on Elite at level. Yes, I need Teh_Troll's class.

I still try it once every life.

The fact that I can't do something doesn't dissuade me from *trying* to do it once per life - especially when you consider that there is no downside for failing. I mean, sure the world will end and all of Stormreach will be destroyed if the Stormreaver's big bomb goes off, but if you do fail that raid, you can just go back in to try again with no consequences. Why wouldn't we try to be heroes if we're all Kenny from South Park?

[Ungood]

Eh, real motive? What about the exact thing I've said?

And I am not talking only about new raids. I am talking about GH and Stormhorns as well.

And how could you know I won't be able to handle it? When I ETR'd that day when we had a raid night I've been quite ready to run the Shadow Dragon with them. With slightly above 800 hp, capped destiny and so much hated monkcher build I'd be just fine.

Nope. Gear having level restrictions means that if you try to under-level content by too much you simply will be going in with sub-par gear. Wanting to do that typically means you're taking advantage of some feature™ that would allow you to complete the content with a toon totally under geared for it.

[HungarianRhapsody]

Nope. Gear having level restrictions means that if you try to under-level content by too much you simply will be going in with sub-par gear. Wanting to do that typically means you're taking advantage of some feature™ that would allow you to complete the content with a toon totally under geared for it.

Piking is a valid lifestyle choice, Ungood.

Also, even undergeared characters at level 20 run by a decent player in an appropriate capped destiny will contribute more than any level capped characters who don't know what they're doing. No one is stopping the level 28 morons from running the quests and raids. Why stop the under level decent players from running the raid if they want to?

Keeping the level 20 limit to run Epic content makes sense because Epic XP is so much better than Heroic XP (would anyone even tough Inspired Quarter if we could run eVoN at level 18?), but aside from that, the level restrictions should go. If they want to keep people away from an unintended feature™ then they should just fix the feature.