Help with Sun Elf Build

[CPDK9]

I'm looking for some ideas for a Sun Elf first life build. Thoughts on 17 Cleric / 2 Paladin / 1 Wizard - pally for save boost, wiz for extra magic feat. Mostly caster, but some melee - mace and shield. What would the recommended feats and enhancements be to at least make a good caster and competent melee when needed? I know that there are other optimal builds out there, but wanted to know if this would be worthwhile.

[Astbury]

Hi, i see you are going to start a Morninglord, so I have a few suggestions. First I’m going to say the sun elf is very useful but he has more features to be a good wizard. So let's start with the suggestions:

Be a cleric, yeah he starts as a cleric and you are going to have that level. But clerics are really good, he have a good potential for a healer or a melee cleric, I don't like the way of a caster with the morninglord, but we have to remember we have a good spell penetration, think this, if you have a good necromancer you are going to kill always, and most monsters have to be weakened, 20 cleric levels for more damage.
Have 12 int, spellcraft is really usefull trust me

Change your gears, the starter set is quit cool, but exist better things, i like some stuffs of the Demon sand, and now NECRO ELITE, if you are going to be a light caster run VOL and VON really have good fire stuffs. MENACE have all you want. Classic build use all the Gianthold set, but i think in epic levels they really sucks.
Feats, you now metamagics are so important, if you are a caster don't use healing, just the tree core feats (empower, maximize and quicken) if you are a healer change maximize with enlarge. More SP whatever will be the builds, and single weapon fight with the melee one (with orbs) or two handed is a good option.

Finally have this on mind, Tomes are really important in this game, if you want a real solo game you better have few tomes in your stats. But remember this we are clerics, the way of the healer don't need too much, you can be a good support. I'm pretty sad about some things about the game, the monsters are pretty hard even having great group things is going to be really hard and that’s why I suggest this for you.

Enjoy the game

[EllisDee37]

I'm looking for some ideas for a Sun Elf first life build. Thoughts on 17 Cleric / 2 Paladin / 1 Wizard - pally for save boost, wiz for extra magic feat. Mostly caster, but some melee - mace and shield. What would the recommended feats and enhancements be to at least make a good caster and competent melee when needed? I know that there are other optimal builds out there, but wanted to know if this would be worthwhile.

My necro cleric (the actual alt I have on live, as opposed to the build thread) used scepter of healing (ml10) and forgotten light (ml23+) while leveling to give him a melee option. Both those weapons use wisdom for attack and damage. I considered that good enough, not wanting to spend feats or enhancements on melee stuff.

[unbongwah]

With the proposed nerf to Div Grace (meaning a pally 2 splash will cap out at +8 to saves) and the addition of MRR, I consider them less necessary. Although if you went pal 3, that gets you defensive stance for a big boost to PRR and will raise the save cap to +11. Still, for what you propose, I think I would prefer to have extra feats from ftr splash rather than extra saves from pally. Either way, there's some nice low-tier goodies in the Vanguard PrE.

So let's just play around with the builder, shall we?

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Level 28 Lawful Good Morninglord Female
(1 Fighter \ 18 Cleric \ 1 Wizard \ 8 Epic) 
Hit Points: 306
Spell Points: 1530 
BAB: 14\14\19\24
Fortitude: 16
Reflex: 7
Will: 22

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
Abilities        Base Stats          Modified Stats
(32 Point)       (Level 1)             (Level 28)
Strength             11                    13
Dexterity             8                     8
Constitution         12                    12
Intelligence         14                    16
Wisdom               17                    24
Charisma             14                    14

Tomes Used
+2 Tome of Strength used at level 7
+2 Tome of Intelligence used at level 7

Level 1 (Cleric)
Feat: (Deity) Favored by Amaunator
Feat: (Selected) Shield Mastery


Level 2 (Cleric)


Level 3 (Cleric)
Feat: (Selected) Maximize Spell


Level 4 (Cleric)
Ability Raise: WIS


Level 5 (Cleric)


Level 6 (Cleric)
Feat: (Selected) Empower Healing Spell


Level 7 (Cleric)


Level 8 (Cleric)
Ability Raise: WIS


Level 9 (Cleric)
Feat: (Selected) Power Attack


Level 10 (Cleric)


Level 11 (Cleric)


Level 12 (Fighter)
Ability Raise: WIS
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Improved Critical: Bludgeoning Weapons
Feat: (Selected) Improved Shield Mastery


Level 13 (Cleric)


Level 14 (Cleric)


Level 15 (Wizard)
Feat: (Wizard Bonus) Heighten Spell
Feat: (Selected) Quicken Spell


Level 16 (Cleric)
Ability Raise: WIS


Level 17 (Cleric)


Level 18 (Cleric)
Feat: (Selected) Spell Focus: Evocation


Level 19 (Cleric)


Level 20 (Cleric)
Ability Raise: WIS
Enhancement: Divine Disciple (Clr) - Divine Emissary of Light (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Divine Disciple (Clr) - Sacred Defense (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Divine Disciple (Clr) - Sun Bolt (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Divine Disciple (Clr) - Sunbeam (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Divine Disciple (Clr) - Sunburst (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Divine Disciple (Clr) - Nimbus of Light (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Divine Disciple (Clr) - Nimbus of Light (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Divine Disciple (Clr) - Nimbus of Light (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Divine Disciple (Clr) - Spellpower: Universal (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Divine Disciple (Clr) - Spell Critical: Universal (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Divine Disciple (Clr) - Efficient Maximize (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Divine Disciple (Clr) - Efficient Maximize (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Divine Disciple (Clr) - Efficient Maximize (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Divine Disciple (Clr) - Spell Critical: Universal (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Divine Disciple (Clr) - Searing Light (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Divine Disciple (Clr) - Searing Light (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Divine Disciple (Clr) - Searing Light (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Divine Disciple (Clr) - Spell Critical: Universal (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Divine Disciple (Clr) - Holy Smite (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Divine Disciple (Clr) - Holy Smite (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Divine Disciple (Clr) - Holy Smite (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Divine Disciple (Clr) - Spell DC: Evocation (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Divine Disciple (Clr) - Spell Critical: Universal (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Divine Disciple (Clr) - Flame Strike (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Divine Disciple (Clr) - Flame Strike (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Divine Disciple (Clr) - Flame Strike (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Radiant Servant (Clr) - Healing Domain (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Radiant Servant (Clr) - Pacifism (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Radiant Servant (Clr) - Positive Energy Burst (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Radiant Servant (Clr) - Extra Turning (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Radiant Servant (Clr) - Wand Mastery (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Radiant Servant (Clr) - Wand Mastery (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Radiant Servant (Clr) - Wand Mastery (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Radiant Servant (Clr) - Altruism (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Radiant Servant (Clr) - Altruism (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Radiant Servant (Clr) - Altruism (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Radiant Servant (Clr) - Improved Turning (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Warpriest (Clr) - Smite Foe (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Warpriest (Clr) - Resilience of Battle (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Warpriest (Clr) - Sanctuary (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Warpriest (Clr) - War Domain: Blur (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Warpriest (Clr) - Divine Might (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Warpriest (Clr) - Divine Might (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Warpriest (Clr) - Divine Might (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Warpriest (Clr) - Righteous Weapons (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Warpriest (Clr) - Smite Weakness (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Warpriest (Clr) - Wall of Steel (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Warpriest (Clr) - Wall of Steel (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Warpriest (Clr) - Wall of Steel (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Warpriest (Clr) - Righteous Weapons (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Warpriest (Clr) - Inflame (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Warpriest (Clr) - Inflame (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Warpriest (Clr) - Inflame (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Warpriest (Clr) - Righteous Weapons (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Warpriest (Clr) - Ameliorating Strike (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Vanguard (Ftr) - To the Fore! (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Vanguard (Ftr) - Shield Smash (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Vanguard (Ftr) - Shield Smash (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Vanguard (Ftr) - Shield Smash (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Eldritch Knight (Wiz) - Eldritch Strike (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Eldritch Knight (Wiz) - Improved Mage Armor (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Eldritch Knight (Wiz) - Improved Mage Armor (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Eldritch Knight (Wiz) - Improved Mage Armor (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Kensei (Ftr) - Kensei Focus: Maces and Clubs (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Kensei (Ftr) - Haste Boost (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Kensei (Ftr) - Haste Boost (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Kensei (Ftr) - Haste Boost (Rank 3)


Level 21 (Epic)
Feat: (Selected) Epic: Overwhelming Critical


Level 22 (Epic)


Level 23 (Epic)


Level 24 (Epic)
Ability Raise: WIS
Feat: (Selected) Empower Spell


Level 25 (Epic)


Level 26 (Epic)
Feat: (Epic Destiny) Epic Destiny: Holy Strike


Level 27 (Epic)
Feat: (Selected) Epic: Ruin


Level 28 (Epic)
Ability Raise: WIS
Feat: (Epic Destiny) Epic Destiny: Forced Escape

The INT tome is just for extra skill pts and can be skipped. If you don't have a STR +2 tome to spare, start STR 13 INT 12 instead. You could also start INT 12 WIS 18 CHA 13.

Shield Mastery feats + LSM will provide +15% doublestrike as well as decent PRR; EK core provides another +1% doublestrike while Imp Mage Armor provides +10% AC. For fun I invested heavily into WP for Ameliorating Strike, but that's probably not the best use of those APs. [And obviously you could reconfigure if you wanted auras instead of Flame Strike SLA.] Ellis's suggestions concerning the WIS-to-dmg maces is solid; I would also consider Phosphor (note the 18-20 x2 crit spec) if you have the Tome pages to spare.

It's far from ideal for EEs, but for EN/EH it should work as a "wade in, swinging your mace, dropping your SLAs, and firing radiant bursts" sort of front-line cleric.

[CPDK9]

Thanks for all the replies.