Wizard: Drow or Iconic Elf

[Teh_Troll]

I'm too lazy to research this so I'll out-source it to my minions . . I mean fellow DDOers.

What're the pros/cons.

The Pay2Win part of the Iconic elf I can accept that I have to buy it, they LR out the Cleric Level . . . but the fact that I can be 20 much faster is kinda cool.

[ChemE]

I'm too lazy to research this so I'll out-source it to my minions . . I mean fellow DDOers.

What're the pros/cons.

The Pay2Win part of the Iconic elf I can accept that I have to buy it, they LR out the Cleric Level . . . but the fact that I can be 20 much faster is kinda cool.

I like this as well. You get the same +2 to intel that drows get and you keep 36 point build where drows get 32 point only. Not sure what you would do with the other 4 points since you can max intel and con on just the 32 points. I am leveling a drow pm now so when I' m through with that I may give this a try. Maybe some racial benefits as well. Not sure though.

[FuzzyDuck81]

I'd 100% go with the sun elf, due to the racial enhancements - rejuvenation of dawn for emergency healing & restoration stuff, blessing of amaunator for the combo divine buffs & feywild tap for the extra SP reserve are all rather handy things to have.

[ChemE]

Arcanum also gives extra sp and 1,2 and 3 to spell pen.

[Failedlegend]

Lol TT your calling Sun-Elves P2W thats hilarious...that Race is so useless its own enhancements are counter intuitive let alone trying to find any synergy with cleric.

Go Human...Wiz18/Rogue2 w/ Insightful reflexes Max Int/Con.

[Teh_Troll]

Go Human...Wiz18/Rogue2 w/ Insightful reflexes Max Int/Con.

No, that's a terrible idea. That's about 4 DCs behind what a sun-elf/drow can get.

I came here to get advice not give it, stop posting.

[Vellrad]

If you need to ask, go home.

[AlmGhandi]

I am sorry.
I keep getting stuck with Bladeforged.
(It hurts when I press too hard...)

[Teh_Troll]

If you need to ask, go home.

Hjeal meh.

[Vellrad]

Hjeal meh.

godienoob

[Teh_Troll]

godienoob

Oh wait . . . I forget this is for a Pale Master.

Hjarm Meh!

[Andoris]

I'm too lazy to research this so I'll out-source it to my minions . . I mean fellow DDOers.

What're the pros/cons.

The Pay2Win part of the Iconic elf I can accept that I have to buy it, they LR out the Cleric Level . . . but the fact that I can be 20 much faster is kinda cool.

Short answer:

Sun Elf
Pro: Same DC as Drow, Feywild tap for extra spell points, Few extra build points, start at level 15, Easy swap to more spell pen (if it is ever required), Sun Elf chicks are hot!

Con: Need to LR out of cleric level, At lvl 28 you can only Iconic TR or ETR, not ETR and TR, however; ETRs for wizards suck -- so it is not much of a Con (even more so if you have the heroic PLs you need)

I'll draft up a longer write up and add it to the PM guide later tonight or tomorrow. Personally, if you don't mind buying the LR, there is no reason not to go with Sun Elf (assuming DC caster). That being said, if you have a capped Drow Wizard, and aren't planning on TRing for other reasons, I don't think the advantages of Sun Elf make a TR worthwhile just for that -- of course YMMV.

[Teh_Troll]

Con: Need to LR out of cleric level, At lvl 28 you can only Iconic TR or ETR, not ETR and TR, however; ETRs for wizards suck -- so it is not much of a Con (even more so if you have the heroic PLs you need)

So once you go Iconic you can never go back?

[Vellrad]

So once you go Iconic you can never go back?

When u go iconic, u cant TR.
U must grind lvl28, grind/buy heart and ER or IR.
When u ER u must grind to 28 and ER/IR with new heart.
When u IR, u can be normal noob or iconic noob, as usual.

[HungarianRhapsody]

So once you go Iconic you can never go back?

You can go back, but you can only go back from 28, not from 20. At 28, you can Iconic TR and get a new race at level 1 and an Iconic past life + Epic past life *or* you can Epic TR and get just an Epic past life and go back to level 20.

[EllisDee37]

In a nutshell, sun elf gives all the benefits for wizards that drow gives and then some.

By "all the benefits" I mean literally all the exact same benefits.

[ChemE]

Is there any real advantage to 36 point build over 32? What would the extra points go in to?

[EllisDee37]

Is there any real advantage to 36 point build over 32? What would the extra points go in to?

Not a whole lot. The two main choices would be 4 strength for more carrying capacity or 4 cha for +2 umd, and then 7 months go by and you realize you never actually used the umd skill.

[ChemE]

Anyone have a good picture of what a sun elf would look like compared to a male drow? I never have liked the way Drow look.

[Teh_Troll]

Is there any real advantage to 36 point build over 32? What would the extra points go in to?

Charisma. With some UMD and scroll mastery you can hjeal meh.

I'm only half-joking as I know a few wizards who have done that.