Temple of Vol nerf...cute.

[SirValentine]

So there was a lot of negative feedback on the nerf to Vol's XP. So latest Lama build says:

NEW: Experience for Desecrated Temple of Vol has been returned to the previous value:
Previous Base XP on Heroic Normal: 5344
“New” Base XP on Heroic Normal: 5344


Of course, it can't just stay the same. If you keep reading, you find the OTHER nerf:

NEW: Temple of Vol now requires 1 gold key and 1 silver key (rather than 2 gold keys) in order to progress.

[Bowser_Koopa]

If you really think this is a nerf well ok. I'd consider it more correcting something that was broken for a long time, honestly each chest should only of produced 1 key or the solution they gave now works where the keys are different. I'll give you the right side room is "harder" to a degree but calling this a nerf is really stretching the definition of a yellow foam dart/bat/football producing company.

Bowserkoopa,

Keys the new bane of all heroes

[Qhualor]

lol. you said nerf.

[Memnir]

I see the key change as more of a correction, instead of a nerf.
Just a personal view.

[taurean430]

Yes, I see it more as a correction as well. They didn't need to mess with the xp in there to begin with honestly. Glad to see that change redacted more or less.

For folks who have been running through there like it's Disneyland with vamps for years, add another 30 seconds and call it done. Win/Win...

[Book_O_Dragons]

This is a good change. I never understood why they were the same.

[QuantumFX]

It’s actually more XP as people will want to get the Ingenious bonus from the traps since they have to go through them all anyway.

[EllisDee37]

Yep, good fix.

[Certon]

If you really think this is a nerf well ok. I'd consider it more correcting something that was broken for a long time...

/agreed

This fixes the intent of the original design.

[Missing_Minds]

So there was a lot of negative feedback on the nerf to Vol's XP. So latest Lama build says:

NEW: Experience for Desecrated Temple of Vol has been returned to the previous value:
Previous Base XP on Heroic Normal: 5344
“New” Base XP on Heroic Normal: 5344


Of course, it can't just stay the same. If you keep reading, you find the OTHER nerf:

NEW: Temple of Vol now requires 1 gold key and 1 silver key (rather than 2 gold keys) in order to progress.

So fixing something that has been broke is a nerf. Got it.

[sirgog]

Wow, that is finally being fixed?

About time. Does make the quest painful on elite, but IIRC the save requirements aren't too high.

Anyway, Inferno is the new Orchard quest of note. More than a 50% increase in a quest that was already farmable.

[ThreeEyedBob]

Good change. Thank you.

Inferno definitely looks more desirable to run now also.

I didnt understand the nerf to Delera part 4 xp though. It's still good xp but the quest was never particularly easy or short for most people. The only very quick runs I experienced were full TR parties with supercharged characters. Other than that, most groups would have several deaths due to traps (if there was no trapper who could do the relatively high DC traps).

It's not that I want to moan about every xp-nerf Turbine comes up with. I just want to see some logic in this, and I am having a hard time with it.

Turbine, please think this over. Look at your adventure packs. Look at which ones sell well and which sell poorly. Those that sell well are likely pretty ok. Those that sell poorly likely have a too low xp profile all over. You want to make buying these desirable, yes? More xp makes them desirable. I'm glad you finaly started adjusting the Eveningstar heroic quests also.

[Thrudh]

The devs make a change, players give feedback, the devs listen to feedback and change it back.

And you still complain...

My favorite part about all these recent Lam changes is that you doombois can't claim anymore that "They never listen to feedback anyway. Whatever is on Lam always makes it to live".

I will call you out every time you pull out that **** sentence in the next few months.

[EllisDee37]

My favorite part about all these recent Lam changes is that you doombois can't claim anymore that "They never listen to feedback anyway. Whatever is on Lam always makes it to live".

This new willingness to change core systems on lama is a definite change for the better. I'm a big fan. It is a change, though.

[zwiebelring]

The devs make a change, players give feedback, the devs listen to feedback and change it back.

And you still complain...

My favorite part about all these recent Lam changes is that you doombois can't claim anymore that "They never listen to feedback anyway. Whatever is on Lam always makes it to live".

I will call you out every time you pull out that **** sentence in the next few months.

Bag exploit, challenge chest exploit made it live.... the priority is broken. That stupid key in this quest is so minor compared to other game breaking things. Good it is done, but it does not invalidate complaints about what goes live from lama and what does not.

[Chai]

The devs make a change, players give feedback, the devs listen to feedback and change it back.

And you still complain...

My favorite part about all these recent Lam changes is that you doombois can't claim anymore that "They never listen to feedback anyway. Whatever is on Lam always makes it to live".

I will call you out every time you pull out that **** sentence in the next few months.

How many people were complaining about needing only one key?

If you guess a number higher than zero, take another shot at it.

[Spoonwelder]

Wow, that is finally being fixed?

About time. Does make the quest painful on elite, but IIRC the save requirements aren't too high.

Anyway, Inferno is the new Orchard quest of note. More than a 50% increase in a quest that was already farmable.

The saves are mid 30s on elite .....so not every build can hit that easily (may need twink gear alot of first lifers, hell even 7th lifers, don't have - ie. madness chain armor with +10 reflex).

As I said in another thread - they need to fix the blades so they stop spinning if not active.....ie disarmed or just not spinning. I am not sure if some of the blades should be not spinning to make it easier but they always spin disarmed or not for me so I never know.

That said even jump timing is tough due to the overhangs you can bonk into if your jump is too high dropping you right into the blades...then you gotta land just right and slide a bit into the middle to avoid the darts - heal up if you got hit by anything and repeat x3.....and those traps also hit hard pretty much 2 hits or so to kill the average non-evasion character (on elite) - that is as simple as one hit going over and one hit on landing if you jump just a bit too far....then its run back to hireling - get raise - run through all traps take raise.....though it works it's not optimal.

I like the change but they may want to tweak down the save required and/or provide a non-evasion way to get to the key.

[Qhualor]

I doubt this is WAI but blur actually works against those traps. Even without blur I've seen misses from the traps.

[Dielzen]

I doubt this is WAI but blur actually works against those traps. Even without blur I've seen misses from the traps.

Dart traps are to-hit rolls...WAI

[taurean430]

I doubt this is WAI but blur actually works against those traps. Even without blur I've seen misses from the traps.

Try it with a displacement clickie... it works better.