When people's response is screenshots of cancelled subscriptions . . .

[Teh_Troll]

. . . maybe, just maybe your new idea is bad.

Seriously, 170 sagas to earn the hearts needed for TR . . .

[Drwaz99]

And here's mine. It was in another thread too but this might get more visibility with Ze_Troll starting it:

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[Charononus]

Would post mine but I cancelled u19.

[Adelair]

I've been playing for two months or so. My VIP runs out on the 17th of next month, I think. I don't think I'm going to renew it if I've gotta grind that hard to keep playing. Besides, Battlefield 4 isn't too far off.

I still really like DDO, I just can't afford either the time or money for this new TR system.

[oradafu]

I've been playing for two months or so. My VIP runs out on the 17th of next month, I think. I don't think I'm going to renew it if I've gotta grind that hard to keep playing. Besides, Battlefield 4 isn't too far off.

I still really like DDO, I just can't afford either the time or money for this new TR system.

There you go Devs... Instead of just running of old time players who will end their subs, you now running off the new blood that you claim to be seeking. We can always count on Turbine shooting itself in the foot, no matter where they aim their gun.

[Satyriasys]

Those numbers are obviously placeholders. There is no way they would expect anyone to grind that many sagas.

[Charononus]

[EllisDee37]

The fix is simple, if inelegant:

Add the following conversions to the 12 altar:
- 20 fragments of the twelve for 10 commendations of valor
- 1 token of the twelve for 50 commendations of valor

Done and done. If you then convert your 20 tokens of the twelve you end up with 1000 commendations of valor, meaning heroic TR remains largely unchanged for everyone and every playstyle. Epic TR then costs double this. Fine by me.

Once this is implemented, the insanity of 17 comms of valor for an EH saga reward becomes clear, so multiply saga comm rewards by 10 and maybe that would do it. 170 comms for a saga reward means around how many per quest on average? 17? 20? Whatever the average works out to, mentally double that number to see what the equivalent reward is in token fragments. This sounds about right to me.

Make it so and there will be peace and joy in the land.

It is absolutely critical that tokens can be converted to comms of valor. (A separate conversion for fragments would be nice but not required.) Anything short of this is a real threat to the game's viability.

[EnjoyTheJourney]

The fix is simple, if inelegant:

Add the following conversions to the 12 altar:
- 20 fragments of the twelve for 10 commendations of valor
- 1 token of the twelve for 50 commendations of valor

Done and done. If you then convert your 20 tokens of the twelve you end up with 1000 commendations of valor, meaning heroic TR remains largely unchanged for everyone and every playstyle. Epic TR then costs double this. Fine by me.

Once this is implemented, the insanity of 17 comms of valor for an EH saga reward becomes clear, so multiply saga comm rewards by 10 and maybe that would do it. 170 comms for a saga reward means around how many per quest on average? 17? 20? Whatever the average works out to, mentally double that number to see what the equivalent reward is in token fragments. This sounds about right to me.

Make it so and there will be peace and joy in the land.

It is absolutely critical that tokens can be converted to comms of valor. (A separate conversion for fragments would be nice but not required.) Anything short of this is a real threat to the game's viability.

This is an excellent idea.

This prevents older content from being rendered obsolescent, for premiums who bought packs that provide access to "Twelve" tokens, it keeps more options open to players so they are less likely to get bored with the grind ahead of TRing, and it allows the new and apparently already-developed, already-approved system to be put in place.

I also agree that the viability of the game is in question here, as vets will probably leave in droves if heroic TRs (in particular) are made materially more painful for players to carry out, going forward.

[Systern]

The fix is simple, if inelegant:

Add the following conversions to the 12 altar:
- 20 fragments of the twelve for 10 commendations of valor
- 1 token of the twelve for 50 commendations of valor

Done and done. If you then convert your 20 tokens of the twelve you end up with 1000 commendations of valor, meaning heroic TR remains largely unchanged for everyone and every playstyle. Epic TR then costs double this. Fine by me.

Once this is implemented, the insanity of 17 comms of valor for an EH saga reward becomes clear, so multiply saga comm rewards by 10 and maybe that would do it. 170 comms for a saga reward means around how many per quest on average? 17? 20? Whatever the average works out to, mentally double that number to see what the equivalent reward is in token fragments. This sounds about right to me.

Make it so and there will be peace and joy in the land.

It is absolutely critical that tokens can be converted to comms of valor. (A separate conversion for fragments would be nice but not required.) Anything short of this is a real threat to the game's viability.

This is an excellent idea.

This prevents older content from being rendered obsolescent, for premiums who bought packs that provide access to "Twelve" tokens, it keeps more options open to players so they are less likely to get bored with the grind ahead of TRing, and it allows the new and apparently already-developed, already-approved system to be put in place.

I also agree that the viability of the game is in question here, as vets will probably leave in droves if heroic TRs (in particular) are made materially more painful for players to carry out, going forward.

No offense or nothing, but offering conversion is dumb. If you insist on offering a conversion of currency, maybe you should just stick with the one currency in the first place.

But people have hoards of Epic Dungeon Tokens of the Twelve! And some people duped them! Fine, jack the price up FOR A TIME and bleed out the excess currency from the economy.

You had gold, and that became hyper inflated so you switch the denomination to plat, which is hyper inflated, so there's Dungeon Tokens that never had enough uses to not become hyper inflated, And Shards, and Signets, and Commendations... enough!!!

The players have been complaining about 2 things for years: Not enough storage space, and too many **** collectibles.

Turbine slowed down on making new collectibles for the most part, but now introduce a new currency each update. It's pathetic, and a band-aid to the root problem. This game does not have a viable way to bleed currency out of the economy. We all hated renown decay, and there was really no point for it. But bank fees (maintaining your account, in plat), reinstating higher repair bills for deaths, "Early Adopter Taxes" on new upgradables (You wanna be the first kid on the block with Flawless Purple Dragonscale! That'll be 40 tokens per upgrade. This cost will drop at Patch 1, and again at Patch 2...)

Just introducing a new currency that we'll hoard because we don't have enough means to get rid of it until Turbine introduces a new currency is a merry-go-round. And the worst part, is that WE HAVE TO STORE THIS NEW CURRENCY exacerbating our other complaint.

[HernandoCortez]

The fix is simple, if inelegant:

Add the following conversions to the 12 altar:
- 20 fragments of the twelve for 10 commendations of valor
- 1 token of the twelve for 50 commendations of valor

Done and done. If you then convert your 20 tokens of the twelve you end up with 1000 commendations of valor, meaning heroic TR remains largely unchanged for everyone and every playstyle. Epic TR then costs double this. Fine by me.

Once this is implemented, the insanity of 17 comms of valor for an EH saga reward becomes clear, so multiply saga comm rewards by 10 and maybe that would do it. 170 comms for a saga reward means around how many per quest on average? 17? 20? Whatever the average works out to, mentally double that number to see what the equivalent reward is in token fragments. This sounds about right to me.

Make it so and there will be peace and joy in the land.

It is absolutely critical that tokens can be converted to comms of valor. (A separate conversion for fragments would be nice but not required.) Anything short of this is a real threat to the game's viability.

/signed

Don't screw DDO again, Turbine.

[oradafu]

Don't screw DDO again, Turbine.

They make stupid ugly babies.

[nibel]

The fix is simple, if inelegant:

Add the following conversions to the 12 altar:
- 20 fragments of the twelve for 10 commendations of valor
- 1 token of the twelve for 50 commendations of valor

Done and done. If you then convert your 20 tokens of the twelve you end up with 1000 commendations of valor, meaning heroic TR remains largely unchanged for everyone and every playstyle. Epic TR then costs double this. Fine by me.

There is another even simpler fix. Make fragments of the twelve drop in the end chest of FR/eGH quests. Keep the heart on the twelve (or with the new Reincarnation NPC). No need to create another BtC currency.

Seriously, BtC collectibles of general use just encourage people to play only one character. I remember some years ago where everyone had a dozen characters ready for endgame. Some first lifers that couldn't handle elite ToD, but still good enough to hold their own on usual raid pugging.

[Gremmlynn]

The fix is simple, if inelegant:

Add the following conversions to the 12 altar:
- 20 fragments of the twelve for 10 commendations of valor
- 1 token of the twelve for 50 commendations of valor

Done and done. If you then convert your 20 tokens of the twelve you end up with 1000 commendations of valor, meaning heroic TR remains largely unchanged for everyone and every playstyle. Epic TR then costs double this. Fine by me.

Once this is implemented, the insanity of 17 comms of valor for an EH saga reward becomes clear, so multiply saga comm rewards by 10 and maybe that would do it. 170 comms for a saga reward means around how many per quest on average? 17? 20? Whatever the average works out to, mentally double that number to see what the equivalent reward is in token fragments. This sounds about right to me.

Make it so and there will be peace and joy in the land.

It is absolutely critical that tokens can be converted to comms of valor. (A separate conversion for fragments would be nice but not required.) Anything short of this is a real threat to the game's viability.

170 for 11 quests to 150 for one twice? I'd say about 1000 for a saga would be about right as it means you have to run specific quests determined by Turbine, so should have a higher output then being able to run what one wants. Also, because one must pass up the regular saga reward for it, rather than it being in addition as it is in the case of tokens/fragments.

Personally, I think the whole thing is a paradigm change away from the idea that store bought Hearts are the exception to what really frugal players with a lot of time use. Along the lines of favor TP, a nice addition to what is mostly bought from the store for most players. So maybe every 10th TR should be expected to be from a free heart, rather than every TR.

Don't think it will pan out, but starting to think they need something like this to keep their budget. To small a player base to get the return other projects WB can put it into. Just not enough players to spread development costs over.

[voodoogroves]

The heart isn't even the prize - it just enables you to play more. Why the fudge you want to put a barrier on that, I'll never freaking understand.

"Dear players, we have this one whole team working on big reincarnation mechanics. Then we have this other team putting in gates and barriers so you'll never use it. Suckit!"

[2pleasegimmie]

The fix is simple, if inelegant:

Add the following conversions to the 12 altar:
- 20 fragments of the twelve for 10 commendations of valor
- 1 token of the twelve for 50 commendations of valor

Done and done. If you then convert your 20 tokens of the twelve you end up with 1000 commendations of valor, meaning heroic TR remains largely unchanged for everyone and every playstyle. Epic TR then costs double this. Fine by me.

Once this is implemented, the insanity of 17 comms of valor for an EH saga reward becomes clear, so multiply saga comm rewards by 10 and maybe that would do it. 170 comms for a saga reward means around how many per quest on average? 17? 20? Whatever the average works out to, mentally double that number to see what the equivalent reward is in token fragments. This sounds about right to me.

Make it so and there will be peace and joy in the land.

It is absolutely critical that tokens can be converted to comms of valor. (A separate conversion for fragments would be nice but not required.) Anything short of this is a real threat to the game's viability.

Actually, the simplest fix is to fire FoS and anyone who agrees with his ideas and approach to the game.

[Qhualor]

EDs used in heroics

duping exploit

ED off destiny grind

random loot

saga hearts of wood

failed Shadowfell

just some big recent things that have gotten the community riled up. Turbine needs to take note because whats left of the population have had it up to their eyeballs.

[Silken-Akira]

The fix is simple, if inelegant:

Add the following conversions to the 12 altar:
- 20 fragments of the twelve for 10 commendations of valor
- 1 token of the twelve for 50 commendations of valor

Done and done. If you then convert your 20 tokens of the twelve you end up with 1000 commendations of valor, meaning heroic TR remains largely unchanged for everyone and every playstyle. Epic TR then costs double this. Fine by me.

Once this is implemented, the insanity of 17 comms of valor for an EH saga reward becomes clear, so multiply saga comm rewards by 10 and maybe that would do it. 170 comms for a saga reward means around how many per quest on average? 17? 20? Whatever the average works out to, mentally double that number to see what the equivalent reward is in token fragments. This sounds about right to me.

Make it so and there will be peace and joy in the land.

It is absolutely critical that tokens can be converted to comms of valor. (A separate conversion for fragments would be nice but not required.) Anything short of this is a real threat to the game's viability.

I like the idea above.
Also with recent changes which I can't see myself playing at the same rate in the future (and I already consider myself a casual player) and so I cancelled my VIP too.
If turbine doesn't learn that the value of the customer is important then I will stop financially supporting them.

[HAL]

The fix is simple, if inelegant:

Add the following conversions to the 12 altar:
- 20 fragments of the twelve for 10 commendations of valor
- 1 token of the twelve for 50 commendations of valor

Done and done. If you then convert your 20 tokens of the twelve you end up with 1000 commendations of valor, meaning heroic TR remains largely unchanged for everyone and every playstyle. Epic TR then costs double this. Fine by me.

Once this is implemented, the insanity of 17 comms of valor for an EH saga reward becomes clear, so multiply saga comm rewards by 10 and maybe that would do it. 170 comms for a saga reward means around how many per quest on average? 17? 20? Whatever the average works out to, mentally double that number to see what the equivalent reward is in token fragments. This sounds about right to me.

Make it so and there will be peace and joy in the land.

It is absolutely critical that tokens can be converted to comms of valor. (A separate conversion for fragments would be nice but not required.) Anything short of this is a real threat to the game's viability.

I agree with the above, but have four additional points:

1. Tokens are free. We are not required to choose between Tokens and another End Reward.

2. Tokens are given for individual quests and I can choose which quests I want to run. They should give Comms in end chests just like tokens. If they want to encourage Saga completion, give more Tokens automatically upon Saga completion. (Tie them to the quest reward chosen or create a Saga Patron vendor or whatever.)

3. I am willing to bet cash money that the vast majority of players didn't dupe Tokens and therefore should not be penalized for the actions of the few who did. They should remove the Tokens from the people who duped them. (If they permanently banned their accounts they wouldn't have to worry about removing the Tokens.) Even if the currency is changed, Tokens should remain as they are in game for those who have them banked. I shouldn't be forced to make a choice now to either spend my Tokens on Hearts or Augments which I may or may not need later or trade them for Comms.

4. Also as you mentioned later, the Comms should not be BtC.

[Anric]

Can add me to the list of your canceled subs.