Devs: Let's Talk Tokens and Hearts...

[LightBear]

Since True Hearts of Wood will no longer be available at the Twelve with the advent of U20, and Commendations of Valor will replace them, what exactly are we to do with the multitude of tokens we now own?

'https://www.ddo.com/forums/showthread.php/376774-Lamannia-Release-Notes-(Last-Updated-10-18-2013)'

Thx for the heads up: just traded in for 7 true hearts of wood.

O.O

[Satyriasys]

At least give us the commendations in addition to our saga reward. Don't make us choose one or the other.

Then do something like this; normal saga completion 10 comms, hard 15, elite 20. then make the hearts cost 20.
I guess I could work with a system like that.

[Systern]

Okay, I'm wrong.

Currently, values on Lammania (which Squeak said may not be what goes live) are
900 v-comms for a heroic heart.
1150 v-comms for an Iconic heart and
2000 v-comms for an Epic heart.



These better be placeholder values, or sagas give out a metric butt-tonne of comms.

Also, they're BtC (at lease the ones Squeak cloned), so there goes the capped raider/farmer toon getting the ingredients for hearts for the TR toon.

[Urist]

I am disappoint

[LightBear]

Sagas:
NEW: Epic level Saga rewards now include the option to select "Commendations of Valor:"
Commendations of Valor are a currency which fit in the Ingredient Bag.
If you remove the Commendations of Valor from your ingredient bag and doubleclick on them, a shop interface will open in which you can spend your Commendations of Valor for the following rewards:
Heroic True Heart of Wood
Iconic True Heart of Wood
Epic Heart of Wood
True Hearts of Wood are no longer available at The Twelve.

it's not one commendation they are talking about

[IronClan]

I really hope this is just typical DDo Forum hyperbole. Having to PLAY A STRING OF 6 OR 8 DIFFERENT QUESTS is not my idea of fun.

FTFY Sounds like it might be time to find something new and different.

[IronClan]

Okay, I'm wrong.

Currently, values on Lammania (which Squeak said may not be what goes live) are
900 v-comms for a heroic heart.
1150 v-comms for an Iconic heart and
2000 v-comms for an Epic heart.



These better be placeholder values, or sagas give out a metric butt-tonne of comms.

If those go live I take back what I said to Raven.

[Capricorpus]

To me, it seems like this is an attempt to get us to buy hearts from the DDO store.

I don't think it's fair to render tokens, which many people have spent so much time accumulating, obsolete. If they want to add these "commendations of valor", it might make more sense to add them as an alternate means of getting hearts of wood instead of substituting them for the already in place "epic currency".

[Luxgolg]

To me, it seems like this is an attempt to get us to buy hearts from the DDO store.

I don't think it's fair to render tokens, which many people have spent so much time accumulating, obsolete. If they want to add these "commendations of valor", it might make more sense to add them as an alternate means of getting hearts of wood instead of substituting them for the already in place "epic currency".

Ribbit.

This is starting to sound like our lootgen system. And the current sagas are not for the F2P crowd

[brian14]

Also, they're BtC (at lease the ones Squeak cloned), so there goes the capped raider/farmer toon getting the ingredients for hearts for the TR toon.

That seriously sucks.

And I am saying this despite the fact that all three True Hearts I had used so far were bought from DDO Store.

[danotmano1998]

I'm going to go out on a limb here and say those commendation numbers are just "placeholder values".

RIGHT?!?!?

Cmon Turbine, you just dropped a bomb on the whole system you are working so hard to make right.... Why?
What was so terrible about just leaving the heroic TR's just as they are??

[toaftoaf]

that 70s show smaoke circle has made a comeback i see. you gota get a few players in the smoke circle so they can set you guys right.. i will be right over to foremanss basement

[Drwaz99]

What was so terrible about just leaving the heroic TR's just as they are??

Because it works and they can't have things working and be able to keep their jobs!

"Hey lets attach this HUGE revamp of a system to one of the most unreliable parts of the game (well, so far at least, sagas)!"

I'm just waiting for the Sagas to come crashing down again for another exploit or bug after U20 hits. That way no one can TR without buying it from the store.

[droid327]

Okay, I'm wrong.

Currently, values on Lammania (which Squeak said may not be what goes live) are
900 v-comms for a heroic heart.
1150 v-comms for an Iconic heart and
2000 v-comms for an Epic heart.



These better be placeholder values, or sagas give out a metric butt-tonne of comms.

Yikes and yikes again, lets really hope so. And also hope that v-comms are intended to be a generic "character currency" that drops from more than just Saga completions, too...I'm talking chance for them to appear in chests, be able to trade for them with Cannith and ES challenge mats, buy them with Tokens at some favorable rate, appear as quest rewards a la Guild Renown, etc.

Right now a Heroic Heart represents maybe 2 hours of grinding (TiM), maybe 3 if you run DA. Unless you can earn 300-400 Comms an hour, its a net nerf. And that means Saga completions on Elite (say 20-30 mins per quest, x6-8 quests) should be giving somewhere in the neighborhood of 1500-2000 Comms as a reward, at L20.

Watch them give 3 on Elite, 4 on True Elite...

Also, I'm assuming that higher level Sagas give better rewards...it'd have to be a heck of a lot better, because a L28 grinding out comms for an Epic TR is going to be able to blitz through Heroic GH a lot faster and easier than he can go through any of the Epic series.

[Trillea]

Yikes and yikes again, lets really hope so. And also hope that v-comms are intended to be a generic "character currency" that drops from more than just Saga completions, too...I'm talking chance for them to appear in chests, be able to trade for them with Cannith and ES challenge mats, buy them with Tokens at some favorable rate, appear as quest rewards a la Guild Renown, etc.

Right now a Heroic Heart represents maybe 2 hours of grinding (TiM), maybe 3 if you run DA. Unless you can earn 300-400 Comms an hour, its a net nerf. And that means Saga completions on Elite (say 20-30 mins per quest, x6-8 quests) should be giving somewhere in the neighborhood of 1500-2000 Comms as a reward, at L20.

Watch them give 3 on Elite, 4 on True Elite...

Also, I'm assuming that higher level Sagas give better rewards...it'd have to be a heck of a lot better, because a L28 grinding out comms for an Epic TR is going to be able to blitz through Heroic GH a lot faster and easier than he can go through any of the Epic series.

Heroic sagas won't give comms from what was said before, only epic ones.

[zDragonz]

Devs, if you're reading this, please add another way to get True Hearts in-game (not through store) besides sagas.

This. Variety is key.

[Failedlegend]

So the tokens/fragments my friend and I spent months farming but haven't quite obtained enough to get a True Heart are now practically useless (I can get augments just fine with normal collectables...so tokens are now considered norma, not special in any way collectables)

To clarify the only issue I have is HEROIC TR requiring Epic content to be played...ITR and Epic True Hearts make sense since their well Lvl 28 required...making Heroic TR, something done by Lvl 20s require epic content is ridiculous especially since their BTC.

In short leave HEROIC LR/TR in the twelve (yes i mean add LR+0s) and put Iconic TR/Epic HoW in the sagas. Heroic stuff belong in heroic content, epic stuff belongs in epic content.

Random THought: Maybe this is just another instance of Turbine cutting ties with Eberron...sad

[EllisDee37]

Consider commendations of valor akin to epic token fragments. On live you need 2000 fragments to trade in for a heart of wood, and on lama you need 2000 comms of valor for an epic heart. Non-epic hearts cost around half that, so maybe think of comms of valor as worth 2 token fragments. So far so good.

Let us trade epic tokens and fragments in the 12 for commendations of valor and we're all good. 2 fragments for 1 valor, 1 token for 50 valor.

Do this and it's all good, the system will be fine. Also, jack up the saga valor rewards by a factor of 10. Instead of 17 for completing an EH saga, make it 170.

Short of this, if the plan as described goes live I'll not use your TR system pretty much ever. Instead, I'll stockpile a true heart or two on each of my alts before U20 goes live. Then, when I've used my last heart and gotten that life back to epic, I'll go find another game to play.

[EnjoyTheJourney]

If what's being reported here about planned changes to heroic TR mechanics turns out to be true, then I'll most likely be looking for another game as well.

It's about more than a conversion ratio that gets set for commendations and changes to the level of grind involved in getting hearts outside the store. It's about making older content obsolescent and about reducing choice for setting up for heroic and other TRs to a very limited set of sources. I know that I'd be bored stiff with running the same small number of sagas over and over again for commendations and I'll not be dragged into doing it.

Somebody at Turbine needs to adjust their thinking cap a little and try to see this from the customer's perspective. And looking at this from the customer's perspective, the in-the-works planned changes to heroic TR mechanics (in particular) are highly unwelcome.

[RavenAmazing]

"I really hope this is just typical DDo Forum hyperbole. Having to PLAY A STRING OF 6 OR 8 DIFFERENT QUESTS is not my idea of fun." FTFY Sounds like it might be time to find something new and different.

Wasn't broken, didn't require fixing. Pay attention or mind your own business, please.

8 quests indeed...