[Build Request] Fighter8/Ranger6/Monk6 Khopesh Centered TWF

[Scawn]

I am looking for an optimized build path for this setup, and a bit of explanation of playstyle, as I'm not too familiar with monk.
I've leveled this character to 17 already, and this is his first life. I'd like to TR him at some point, and build more smoothly because the first time around his skill points are a mess and I wasnt sure what feats I needed when.
Help me work out the finer details?

He will TR with a supreme +4 tome and past life fighter.

Kensai/Tempest/Ninja is the idea as I understand it

If a different split would prove beneficial I am open to suggestions but I've done a little research and 8/6/6 is pretty convincing
8Fgt for 1/wBlade (greater weapon focus)
6Rng for free feats, including multishot and itwf, skill points and dual wield enh
6Mon for ... well all i can think of is evasion, incorp and master earth stance. Like I said, unclear here how to use monk

I'm confused about how many enhancement points I should use for things like str and crit confirmation
I understand Khopesh and bastard sword both have their uses, so I use a feat for both and focus heavy blades in kensai

That's all I can think of at the moment, any constructive input is appreciated!

[Scawn]

I found a build to model after and this is what I came up with.
Any Input would be appreciated

1 Ranger
2 Fighter
3 Monk
4 Monk
5 Fighter
6 Monk
7 Ranger
8 Ranger
9 Ranger
10 Fighter
11 Ranger
12 Ranger
13 Fighter
14 Fighter
15 Monk
16 Monk
17 Monk
18 Fighter
19 Fighter
20 Fighter

Ranger 2: Rapidshot, TWF
Ranger 6: Manyshot, ITWF
Monk 6: Adept of Forms

1H: EWP:Khopesh
1: WF: Slashing
2F: Point Blank Shot
3M: Power Attack
3: Cleave
4M: Dodge
5F: Great Cleave
6: Stunning Blow
9:IC: Slashing
12: EWP:Bastard Sword (Tomes haven't covered ability score deficit yet)
13F: WS:Slashing
15: GTWF
17M: Zen Archery
18: Master of Forms
18F: ((Mobility?))
20F: GWF: Slashing
21: Overwhelming Critical
24: Grandmaster of Forms
27: ((Blinding Speed?))

27 Concentration
24 Heal
28 Jump
23 Move Silently
15 Swim
1 Tumble
12 UMD

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Level 20 Lawful Good Human Male
(8 Fighter \ 6 Monk \ 6 Ranger) 
Hit Points: 276
Spell Points: 65 
BAB: 18\18\23\28\28
Fortitude: 20
Reflex: 15
Will: 10

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
Abilities        Base Stats          Modified Stats
(34 Point)       (Level 1)             (Level 20)
Strength             18                    27
Dexterity            13                    17
Constitution         14                    18
Intelligence         14                    18
Wisdom                9                    13
Charisma              8                    12

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
                 Base Skills         Modified Skills
Skills           (Level 1)            (Level 20)
Balance               3                    26
Bluff                -1                     1
Concentration         6                    27
Diplomacy            -1                     1
Disable Device        n/a                   n/a
Haggle               -1                     1
Heal                  3                    24
Hide                  1                     3
Intimidate           -1                     1
Jump                  8                    28
Listen               -1                     1
Move Silently         5                    23
Open Lock             n/a                   n/a
Perform              n/a                    n/a
Repair                2                     4
Search                6                     8
Spot                  3                     5
Swim                  6                    15
Tumble                2                     4
Use Magic Device      1                    12.5

Level 1 (Ranger)
Feat: (Human Bonus) Exotic Weapon Proficiency: Khopesh
Feat: (Favored Enemy) Favored Enemy: Undead
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Fighter
Feat: (Selected) Weapon Focus: Slashing Weapons


Level 2 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Point Blank Shot


Level 3 (Monk)
Feat: (Selected) Cleave
Feat: (Monk Bonus) Power Attack


Level 4 (Monk)
Feat: (Monk Bonus) Dodge


Level 5 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Great Cleave


Level 6 (Monk)
Feat: (Monk Path) Path of Harmonious Balance: Fists of Light
Feat: (Selected) Stunning Blow


Level 7 (Ranger)


Level 8 (Ranger)


Level 9 (Ranger)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Slashing Weapons


Level 10 (Fighter)


Level 11 (Ranger)
Feat: (Favored Enemy) Favored Enemy: Evil Outsider


Level 12 (Ranger)
Feat: (Selected) Exotic Weapon Proficiency: Bastard Sword


Level 13 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Weapon Specialization: Slashing Weapons


Level 14 (Fighter)


Level 15 (Monk)
Feat: (Selected) Greater Two Weapon Fighting


Level 16 (Monk)


Level 17 (Monk)
Feat: (Monk Bonus) Zen Archery


Level 18 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Mobility
Feat: (Selected) Master of Forms


Level 19 (Fighter)


Level 20 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Greater Weapon Focus: Slashing Weapons

Level 21
Feat: Overwhelming Critical

Level 24
Feat: Grandmaster of Forms

Level 27
Feat: Blinding Speed

I got Bastard Sword for Nightmare, and the ranged feats in the hopes that they would prove to be low-hanging fruit
If not, are the dodge% feats worth it? Oversized TWF?

[Thunderus]

I don't think Oversized TWF is worth it. Other than that, it looks pretty good.

[EllisDee37]

I might try to frontload ranger a little more; getting TWF at 7 and ITWF at 12 seems a little late.

[Scawn]

Thank you for your replies

No OTWF then, check.

Yeah, I straight ripped the leveling order off the old saint pick build with no consideration for reasoning.
I think it becomes a matter of skill point allocation in this build, and it might have had something to do with feats in the other
What with the acquisition of key components at each of the final levels of three classes, something is always going to seem late
If I could just r6 (ITWF)>f8 (SWF)>m6 (Stances) I think I would be happiest, but I dont think it works best that way. Something to play with now that I have something to compare to
It is worth noting that the TWF comes from ranger enhancements at level 1

I think I will try (the following) next:

1 Ranger Khopesh, WF Slash ((Bow Strength)) (TWF Enhancement)
2 Monk Power Attack
3 Fighter Cleave, Point Blank
4 Fighter Stunning Blow
5 Ranger ((Rapid Shot, TWF))
6 Ranger Great Cleave
7 Ranger
8 Ranger
9 Ranger IC: Slashing, ((ITWF))
10 Fighter
11 Fighter WS:S
12 Monk Dodge, Mobility
13 Monk
14 Monk
15 Monk GTWF
16 Monk Zen Archery ((Adept of Forms))
17 Fighter
18 Fighter Master of Forms, EWP: Bastard Swords
19 Fighter
20 Fighter GWF: Slashing
21: Overwhelming Critical
24: Grandmaster of Forms
27: ((Blinding Speed?))

And see how the feats/skills end up
I just hope having a low skill point class at the end doesnt ruin things.

Thanks for the input!

[Scawn]

1 Ranger Khopesh, WF Slash ((Bow Strength)) (TWF Enhancement)
2 Monk Power Attack
3 Fighter Cleave, Point Blank
4 Fighter Stunning Blow
5 Ranger ((Rapid Shot, TWF))
6 Ranger Great Cleave
7 Ranger
8 Ranger
9 Ranger IC: Slashing, ((ITWF, Manyshot))
10 Fighter
11 Fighter WS:S
12 Monk Dodge, Mobility
13 Monk
14 Monk
15 Monk GTWF
16 Monk Zen Archery ((Adept of Forms))
17 Fighter
18 Fighter Master of Forms, EWP: Bastard Swords
19 Fighter
20 Fighter GWF: Slashing
21: Overwhelming Critical
24: Grandmaster of Forms
27: ((Blinding Speed?))

26 Balance
27 Concentration
24 Heal
25 Jump
22 Move Silently
20 Swim
12 UMD
Does the half point in UMD do anything, or can I put it in Swim?


I feel like this build doesn't show up until level 20, but I can't see a different way to build it =/

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Level 20 Lawful Good Human Male
(8 Fighter \ 6 Monk \ 6 Ranger) 
Hit Points: 276
Spell Points: 65 
BAB: 18\18\23\28\28
Fortitude: 20
Reflex: 15
Will: 10

                  Starting            Ending          
Abilities        Base Stats         Base Stats        
(34 Point)       (Level 1)          (Level 20)        
Strength             18                 27            
Dexterity            13                 17            
Constitution         14                 18            
Intelligence         14                 18            
Wisdom                9                 13            
Charisma              8                 12            

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
                 Base Skills         Modified Skills
Skills           (Level 1)            (Level 20)
Balance               3                    26
Bluff                -1                     1
Concentration         6                    27
Diplomacy            -1                     1
Disable Device        n/a                   n/a
Haggle               -1                     1
Heal                  3                    24
Hide                  1                     3
Intimidate           -1                     1
Jump                  8                    25
Listen               -1                     1
Move Silently         5                    22
Open Lock             n/a                   n/a
Perform              n/a                    n/a
Repair                2                     4
Search                6                     8
Spot                  3                     5
Swim                  6                    20
Tumble                2                     6
Use Magic Device      1                    12

Level 1 (Ranger)
Skill: Balance (+2)
Skill: Concentration (+4)
Skill: Heal (+4)
Skill: Jump (+4)
Skill: Move Silently (+4)
Skill: Search (+4)
Skill: Spot (+4)
Skill: Swim (+2)
Skill: Tumble (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+2)
Feat: (Human Bonus) Exotic Weapon Proficiency: Khopesh
Feat: (Favored Enemy) Favored Enemy: Undead
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Fighter
Feat: (Selected) Weapon Focus: Slashing Weapons
Feat: (Automatic) Attack
Feat: (Automatic) Bow Strength
Feat: (Automatic) Defensive Fighting
Feat: (Automatic) Heroic Durability
Feat: (Automatic) Light Armor Proficiency
Feat: (Automatic) Martial Weapon Proficiency (ALL)
Feat: (Automatic) Shield Proficiency (General)
Feat: (Automatic) Simple Weapon Proficiency
Feat: (Automatic) Sneak
Feat: (Automatic) Sunder
Feat: (Automatic) Trip
Feat: (Automatic) Wild Empathy


Level 2 (Monk)
Skill: Balance (+3)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Heal (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)
Feat: (Monk Bonus) Power Attack
Feat: (Automatic) AC Bonus
Feat: (Automatic) Disciple of Breezes
Feat: (Automatic) Disciple of Candles
Feat: (Automatic) Disciple of Pebbles
Feat: (Automatic) Disciple of Puddles
Feat: (Automatic) Exotic Weapon Proficiency: Kama
Feat: (Automatic) Exotic Weapon Proficiency: Shuriken
Feat: (Automatic) Finishing Moves
Feat: (Automatic) Flurry of Blows
Feat: (Automatic) Unarmed Strike


Level 3 (Fighter)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Heal (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)
Feat: (Selected) Cleave
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Point Blank Shot
Feat: (Automatic) Heavy Armor Proficiency
Feat: (Automatic) Medium Armor Proficiency
Feat: (Automatic) Tower Shield Proficiency


Level 4 (Fighter)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Heal (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Stunning Blow


Level 5 (Ranger)
Skill: Balance (+3)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Heal (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)
Feat: (Automatic) Rapid Shot
Feat: (Automatic) Two Weapon Fighting


Level 6 (Ranger)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Heal (+1)
Skill: Jump (+2)
Skill: Swim (+2)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)
Feat: (Selected) Great Cleave
Feat: (Automatic) Diehard


Level 7 (Ranger)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Heal (+1)
Skill: Jump (+4)
Skill: Move Silently (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)
Feat: (Automatic) Precise Shot


Level 8 (Ranger)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Heal (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Move Silently (+4)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)
Feat: (Favored Enemy) Favored Enemy: Evil Outsider
Feat: (Automatic) Archer's Focus


Level 9 (Ranger)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Heal (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Move Silently (+3)
Skill: Swim (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Slashing Weapons
Feat: (Automatic) Improved Two Weapon Fighting
Feat: (Automatic) Manyshot


Level 10 (Fighter)
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Heal (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)


Level 11 (Fighter)
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Heal (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Weapon Specialization: Slashing Weapons


Level 12 (Monk)
Skill: Balance (+2)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Heal (+1)
Skill: Move Silently (+2)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)
Feat: (Selected) Dodge
Feat: (Monk Bonus) Mobility
Feat: (Automatic) Evasion
Feat: (Automatic) Meditation


Level 13 (Monk)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Heal (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Move Silently (+2)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)
Feat: (Monk Path) Path of Harmonious Balance: Fists of Light
Feat: (Automatic) Fast Movement
Feat: (Automatic) Finishing Moves: Path of Harmonious Balance (ALL)
Feat: (Automatic) Finishing Moves: Path of Inevitable Dominion (ALL)
Feat: (Automatic) Still Mind


Level 14 (Monk)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Heal (+1)
Skill: Jump (+2)
Skill: Move Silently (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)
Feat: (Automatic) Ki Strike: Magic
Feat: (Automatic) Slow Fall


Level 15 (Monk)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Heal (+1)
Skill: Move Silently (+1)
Skill: Swim (+3)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)
Feat: (Selected) Greater Two Weapon Fighting
Feat: (Automatic) Ki Strike: Damage
Feat: (Automatic) Purity of Body


Level 16 (Monk)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Heal (+1)
Skill: Move Silently (+1)
Skill: Swim (+3)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)
Feat: (Monk Bonus) Zen Archery


Level 17 (Fighter)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Heal (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)


Level 18 (Fighter)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Heal (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)
Feat: (Selected) Acrobatic
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Exotic Weapon Proficiency: Bastard Sword


Level 19 (Fighter)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Heal (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)


Level 20 (Fighter)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Heal (+1)
Skill: Swim (+1)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Greater Weapon Focus: Slashing Weapons

[CThruTheEgo]

I have 2 questions.

First, what are your priorities with this build? Are building primarily for endgame? Do you want to enjoy the leveling process as well? Is this just for a past life? If you're building for endgame, are building for EE or lower content? I've been toying with a similar build but how you build it really depends on your goals.

Second, why go khopesh? If you're looking at endgame, Balizarde will out dps khopesh. With keen edge from kensai Balizarde has a base 13-20 x3 crit profile. With overwhelming crit and master earth stance x5 on 19-20 and x6 with devestating crit from legendary dreadnaught. Fists of iron makes it 12-20 x4 and up to x7 on 19-20. And if you're concerned only with EE content then Nightmare will blow them both out of the water. If you're not concerned with epic levels then khopesh is the better choice.

[Battlehawke]

I've been working on a similar build. Unfortunately I have TR'd or LR'd 4 Khopesh users out of their builds and into THF's. Khopesh's are NOT endgame. I have one Khopesh user left. He is on his 5th Life and I have tons of Khopeshes left. I HAVE to have at least one Khopesh user left in my stable. I will probably change him to a Bastard Sword user for EE content when I get him there if Khopeshes don't work as well as I like. Their DPS is still high, there are just better weapons for Endgame. Currently, I'm looking at:

Human 8Ftr/6Rgr/6Mnk

1. M. PA, Dodge, Cleave
2. F. WF-Slashing
3. R. Khopesh, FE-Undead
4. M. Improved Sunder
5. F. Great Cleave
6. R. Stunning Blow
7. R.
8. F.
9. R. IC: Slash
10. M. Path Harm Light
11. M.
12. F. WS-Slash, PBS
13. M.
14. R. FE-Evil Outsider
15. M. Ic-Ranged, Master of Forms
16. R.
17. F.
18. F. GTWF, Zen Archery
19. F.
20. F. GWF-Slashing
21. OWC
24. Grand Master of Forms
26. Tactician
27. Epic DR
28. PTWF

[TiberiusofTyr]

EDIT: Removed for inaccuracy.

[Scawn]

I have 2 questions.

First, what are your priorities with this build? Are building primarily for endgame? Do you want to enjoy the leveling process as well? Is this just for a past life? If you're building for endgame, are building for EE or lower content? I've been toying with a similar build but how you build it really depends on your goals.

Second, why go khopesh? If you're looking at endgame, Balizarde will out dps khopesh. With keen edge from kensai Balizarde has a base 13-20 x3 crit profile. With overwhelming crit and master earth stance x5 on 19-20 and x6 with devestating crit from legendary dreadnaught. Fists of iron makes it 12-20 x4 and up to x7 on 19-20. And if you're concerned only with EE content then Nightmare will blow them both out of the water. If you're not concerned with epic levels then khopesh is the better choice.

Well, I've wanted to make a khopesh build just to have made a khopesh build. Haven't done it before.
I have BS in this build, so I am able to use nightmare, and if they blow both of out of the water, then it looks like my build is set as it is?

Human 8Ftr/6Rgr/6Mnk

4. M. Improved Sunder
12. F. IC-Ranged
26. Tactician
28. PTWF

Could you explain Imp Sunder and Tactician to me?
Is PTWF coming in the next patch? What does it do?

http://ddowiki.com/page/Epic_Destiny_Feats
OIC. So I just take PTWF and Tactician or Firstblood at 26 and 28?
Do you still get epic feats at 24 and 27?
What is the priority on sundering them down to stunnable?

Tier 5 enhancements require level 12 now

Source on this? U20 resource?

So F12/M6/R2
and use the bonus feats for ITWF and Manyshot?
Ah that's too bad though, I liked the tempest tree. Maybe somehow M2,R6? and get Forms feats the hard way? (never mind, need M6 for ninja)

Edit: Ah ha.
https://www.ddo.com/forums/showthrea...ccess-Lamannia

[Inoukchuk]

Tier 5 enhancements require level 12 now

Tier 5 have always required character level 12, class level 5. Do you mean to say that changed in the pass to class level 12?

[Battlehawke]

Could you explain Imp Sunder and Tactician to me?
Is PTWF coming in the next patch? What does it do?

http://ddowiki.com/page/Epic_Destiny_Feats
OIC. So I just take PTWF and Tactician or Firstblood at 26 and 28?
Do you still get epic feats at 24 and 27?]

1. Improved Sunder can lower Fortification Saves by up to -3 per shot and can stack up to -15 (5 times). Tactician adds +2 to your Tactics. Both of these effect your ability to land your Stunning Blows. You will need them in Epic Elite content if you are planning on any CC on this build.

2. Tactician and Perfect Two Weapon Fighting are Feats based off of your Epic Destinies.

3. Yes. You still get feats at 24 and 27. I missed one earlier. I plan on Epic DR at Level 27 for the extra 10 added PRR.

[Battlehawke]

Tier 5 enhancements require level 12 now

This new with 19.2?

[EllisDee37]

This new with 19.2?

Nope, it has always been this way.

Note: "Level 12", not "12 levels in a class." A 5/5/2 build can take tier 5s from either of their two "primary" classes. (But not both.)

[Raiderone]

I'm working on a 8 fighter/ 6monk / 6 ranger build too. Probably go bastard swords later from Khopesh.

Human. Took Monk then Ranger every other level so that at level 12 could take Master of Forms and have TWF,ITWF.
16 Feats: PA. Cleave, Great Cleave, Dodge, Mobility, Spring Attack, Toughness, IC Slashing, WF Slashing, WS Slashing, GWF Slashing, GTWF, EWP Khopesh or BS, Master of Forms, GM of Forms, Stunning Fist.
1.M
2.R
3.M
4.R
5.M
6.R
7.M
8.R
9.M
10.R
11.M
12.R
13 thru 20: Fighter.

[Battlehawke]

Nope, it has always been this way.

Note: "Level 12", not "12 levels in a class." A 5/5/2 build can take tier 5s from either of their two "primary" classes. (But not both.)

um. Ok. Well. To make this build work, you have to take tier 5 in the kensai tree which only requires 5 levels of ftr. No issues there....

[Battlehawke]

Tier 5 enhancements require level 12 now

I think people were confused by this statement which is incorrect.

You can however take tier 5 enhancements from ONLY ONE tree. It locks out all tier 5 enhancements from other trees when you do.

Unless you are referring to CORE enhancements which is another story and does require level 12 of a class. But that is not needed to make this build work.

[elg582]

um. Ok. Well. To make this build work, you have to take tier 5 in the kensai tree which only requires 5 levels of ftr. No issues there....

Unfortunately, no; while the 5th tier is unlocked at class level 5, One with the Blade has Greater Weapon Focus as a prereq, which requires fighter level 8.

It was kind of a dirty trick, if you ask me.

[Myrddinman]

Unfortunately, no; while the 5th tier is unlocked at class level 5, One with the Blade has Greater Weapon Focus as a prereq, which requires fighter level 8.

It was kind of a dirty trick, if you ask me.

^yep

Just like Divine Might from the Paladin KoC tree, which is tier 2 (Paladin 2) but requires Paladin 4 (Turn Undead) to power it

[TiberiusofTyr]

I think people were confused by this statement which is incorrect.

You can however take tier 5 enhancements from ONLY ONE tree. It locks out all tier 5 enhancements from other trees when you do.

Unless you are referring to CORE enhancements which is another story and does require level 12 of a class. But that is not needed to make this build work.

I was in error. I thought 12 in the class was required and I thought it was a stealth nerf after the update. Gladly I was wrong.