Cleric 12 / Ranger 6 / Rogue 2

[usurper]

What do you think about this build?
Do you think it has potential? Lacks DPS ?

- Cleric 12 is mainly for heal spell
- Ranger 6 for manyshot
- Rogue for disable device and open lock
- 16 Charisma for divine might II
- Main weapons will be CitW's Cleaver and Pinion

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Level 25 Lawful Neutral Human Male
(2 Rogue \ 6 Ranger \ 12 Cleric \ 5 Epic) 
Hit Points: 491
Spell Points: 670 
BAB: 16\16\21\26\26
Fortitude: 19
Reflex: 14
Will: 10

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
Abilities        Base Stats          Modified Stats
(36 Point)       (Level 1)             (Level 25)
Strength             16                    25
Dexterity            10                    15
Constitution         17                    22
Intelligence         14                    17
Wisdom                8                    11
Charisma             13                    16

Tomes Used
+1 Tome of Strength used at level 3
+1 Tome of Dexterity used at level 3
+1 Tome of Constitution used at level 3
+1 Tome of Intelligence used at level 3
+1 Tome of Wisdom used at level 3
+1 Tome of Charisma used at level 3
+2 Tome of Strength used at level 7
+2 Tome of Dexterity used at level 7
+2 Tome of Constitution used at level 7
+2 Tome of Intelligence used at level 7
+2 Tome of Wisdom used at level 7
+2 Tome of Charisma used at level 7
+3 Tome of Strength used at level 11
+3 Tome of Dexterity used at level 11
+3 Tome of Constitution used at level 11
+3 Tome of Intelligence used at level 11
+3 Tome of Wisdom used at level 11
+3 Tome of Charisma used at level 11
+4 Tome of Dexterity used at level 19

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
                 Base Skills         Modified Skills
Skills           (Level 1)            (Level 25)
Balance               4                    12
Bluff                 1                     8
Concentration         5                    13.5
Diplomacy             1                     8
Disable Device        6                    28
Haggle                5                    13
Heal                 -1                     5
Hide                  0                     7
Intimidate            1                    10
Jump                  7                    17
Listen               -1                     5
Move Silently         4                    12
Open Lock             4                    26
Perform               n/a                   n/a
Repair                2                     8
Search                6                    30
Spot                 -1                     5
Swim                  7                    17
Tumble                4                    12
Use Magic Device      5                    30

Level 1 (Rogue)
Feat: (Human Bonus) Cleave
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Barbarian
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Fighter
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Monk
Feat: (Selected) Power Attack


Level 2 (Rogue)


Level 3 (Cleric)
Feat: (Selected) Past Life: Berserker's Fury


Level 4 (Cleric)


Level 5 (Cleric)


Level 6 (Cleric)
Feat: (Selected) Great Cleave


Level 7 (Cleric)


Level 8 (Cleric)


Level 9 (Cleric)
Feat: (Selected) Quicken Spell


Level 10 (Cleric)


Level 11 (Cleric)


Level 12 (Cleric)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Slashing Weapons


Level 13 (Cleric)


Level 14 (Cleric)


Level 15 (Ranger)
Feat: (Favored Enemy) Favored Enemy: Undead
Feat: (Selected) Point Blank Shot


Level 16 (Ranger)


Level 17 (Ranger)


Level 18 (Ranger)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Ranged Weapons


Level 19 (Ranger)
Feat: (Favored Enemy) Favored Enemy: Giant


Level 20 (Ranger)


Level 21 (Ranger)
Feat: (Selected) Epic Toughness


Level 22 (Ranger)


Level 23 (Ranger)


Level 24 (Ranger)
Feat: (Favored Enemy) Favored Enemy: Evil Outsider
Feat: (Selected) Overwhelming Critical


Level 25 (Ranger)
Enhancement: Rogue Damage Boost I
Enhancement: Rogue Haste Boost I
Enhancement: Ranger Sprint Boost I
Enhancement: Ranger Sprint Boost II
Enhancement: Human Adaptability Constitution I
Enhancement: Human Greater Adaptability Strength I
Enhancement: Human Improved Recovery I
Enhancement: Human Improved Recovery II
Enhancement: Human Improved Recovery III
Enhancement: Human Versatility I
Enhancement: Human Versatility II
Enhancement: Human Versatility III
Enhancement: Human Versatility IV
Enhancement: Racial Toughness I
Enhancement: Racial Toughness II
Enhancement: Racial Toughness III
Enhancement: Ranger Favored Damage I
Enhancement: Ranger Favored Damage II
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training I
Enhancement: Cleric Prayer of Life I
Enhancement: Cleric Prayer of Life II
Enhancement: Cleric Prayer of Life III
Enhancement: Cleric Prayer of Incredible Life I
Enhancement: Cleric Prayer of Incredible Life II
Enhancement: Cleric Life Magic I
Enhancement: Cleric Life Magic II
Enhancement: Cleric Life Magic III
Enhancement: Cleric Life Magic IV
Enhancement: Ranger Dexterity I
Enhancement: Cleric Divine Might I
Enhancement: Cleric Divine Might II
Enhancement: Cleric Extra Turning I
Enhancement: Cleric Extra Turning II
Enhancement: Cleric Extra Turning III
Enhancement: Cleric Extra Turning IV
Enhancement: Cleric Wand and Scroll Mastery I
Enhancement: Cleric Wand and Scroll Mastery II

[Ellirc]

Seems ok but not optimal!!!!

[EllisDee37]

I'd rather spend the AP on making turns regenerate (radiant servant I) than trying to make enough turns to last with Extra Turning IV.

[usurper]

My second option would be radiant servant... and maybe empower healing spell instead of overwhelming critical...

[unbongwah]

See Phidius's build. Although making a char w/so many rgr lvls go for 2H weapons seems...odd to me.

[Lauf]

What do you think about this build?

not going for the cleric prestige is a poor choice.
you're missing out on regenerating turns, but more importantly you're missing out on bursts and auras, which are amazing tools to have.
with these 2 things, you can heal through most quests without casting nearly any healing spells. crucial imo for a 12 cleric, as your spell points' pool is rather small to begin with.
just to give you a clue, I healed a party through elite coal chamber without wasting more than 200 spell points. used wisely the aura and bursts are a godsend. don't pass up on them!

[Phidius]

See Phidius's build. Although making a char w/so many rgr lvls go for 2H weapons seems...odd to me.

Very odd. The lower dex takes away some of the fun from ranging and evasion too.

I'm waiting until the enhancement pass is finalized and released before I play my 12/6/2 anymore. Well, except for the occasional ransack of quests trying to get loot for my other toons

But I'd definitely recommend Radiant Servant while it can still be used to regenerate divine might.

[unbongwah]

not going for the cleric prestige is a poor choice.

Oh man, I didn't even notice OP didn't have Radiant Servant. I mean, he's got cleric 12 for Heal spell, so why wouldn't he? I would definitely take Emp Heal over epic Toughness to get RS in there.

[stewbeedoo]

What do you think about a half elf version for AA?

[TheLegendOfAra]

Looks okay to me, I'm actually building something very similar, except I'm going 2 monk for extra feats, and I won't do traps. Helf for sorc dille so UMD isn't such an issue with the loss of Rogue levels, or pali dille for better saves. I took Zen Archery and pumped up my wis a bit for ranger tohit and SP. At cap once geared I'd still have 50ish str, and 40ish wis. Not bad at all for a build like this imo.

I'll also point out that if you can pull one, Sireth is a very good weapon choice for the 2 monk split over the Cleaver. Less DPS but lets you stay centered in anything for a small boost to either saves/HP/Str/or doublestrike(not sure if this actually works with THF weapons though. haven't checked).

Either is a good option, and you really wouldn't lose much by going uncentered, but it's nice to have the option in EE's where any boost to your saves is welcome.

Here's a rough copy of what I'm planning for my build. Not optimized yet, and a few feats could probably be swapped out at cap depending on how the build actually played(Looking at dropping extend for Imp Crit: Slash(Cleaver)/or Imp Crit:Blunt(Sireth).

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Level 25 Lawful Good Half-Elf Female
(2 Monk \ 6 Ranger \ 12 Cleric \ 5 Epic) 
Hit Points: 352
Spell Points: 1007 
BAB: 16\16\21\26\26
Fortitude: 21
Reflex: 16
Will: 22


                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
Abilities        Base Stats          Modified Stats
(36 Point)       (Level 1)             (Level 25)
Strength             16                    23
Dexterity            11                    15
Constitution         12                    16
Intelligence         12                    16
Wisdom               16                    25
Charisma             13                    19


Tomes Used
+1 Tome of Strength used at level 3
+1 Tome of Dexterity used at level 3
+1 Tome of Constitution used at level 3
+1 Tome of Intelligence used at level 3
+1 Tome of Wisdom used at level 3
+1 Tome of Charisma used at level 3
+2 Tome of Strength used at level 7
+2 Tome of Dexterity used at level 7
+2 Tome of Constitution used at level 7
+2 Tome of Intelligence used at level 7
+2 Tome of Wisdom used at level 7
+2 Tome of Charisma used at level 7
+3 Tome of Strength used at level 11
+3 Tome of Dexterity used at level 11
+3 Tome of Constitution used at level 11
+3 Tome of Intelligence used at level 11
+3 Tome of Wisdom used at level 11
+3 Tome of Charisma used at level 11
+4 Tome of Strength used at level 15
+4 Tome of Dexterity used at level 15
+4 Tome of Constitution used at level 15
+4 Tome of Intelligence used at level 15
+4 Tome of Wisdom used at level 15
+4 Tome of Charisma used at level 15

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
                 Base Skills         Modified Skills
Skills           (Level 1)            (Level 25)
Balance               2                    30
Bluff                 1                     9
Concentration         5                    31
Diplomacy             1                     9
Disable Device        n/a                   8
Haggle                3                    19.5
Heal                  3                    14
Hide                  0                     7
Intimidate            1                     9
Jump                  7                    22
Listen                5                    14
Move Silently         0                     7
Open Lock             n/a                   n/a
Perform               n/a                   n/a
Repair                1                     8
Search                1                     8
Spot                  7                    16
Swim                  3                    11
Tumble                1                     8
Use Magic Device      3                    20

Level 1 (Ranger)
Feat: (Favored Enemy) Favored Enemy: Giant
Feat: (Half-Elf Dilettante) Half-Elf Dilettante: Paladin
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Monk
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Paladin
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Ranger
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Ranger
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Ranger
Feat: (Selected) Power Attack




Level 2 (Cleric)




Level 3 (Cleric)
Feat: (Selected) Empower Healing Spell




Level 4 (Cleric)




Level 5 (Cleric)




Level 6 (Cleric)
Feat: (Selected) Cleave




Level 7 (Cleric)




Level 8 (Monk)
Feat: (Monk Bonus) Zen Archery




Level 9 (Monk)
Feat: (Selected) Great Cleave
Feat: (Monk Bonus) Toughness




Level 10 (Cleric)




Level 11 (Cleric)




Level 12 (Cleric)
Feat: (Selected) Quicken Spell




Level 13 (Cleric)




Level 14 (Cleric)




Level 15 (Cleric)
Feat: (Selected) Extend Spell




Level 16 (Ranger)




Level 17 (Ranger)




Level 18 (Ranger)
Feat: (Selected) Point Blank Shot




Level 19 (Ranger)
Feat: (Favored Enemy) Favored Enemy: Evil Outsider




Level 20 (Ranger)




Level 21 (Ranger)
Feat: (Selected) Overwhelming Critical




Level 22 (Ranger)




Level 23 (Ranger)




Level 24 (Ranger)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Ranged Weapons




Level 25 (Ranger)
Enhancement: Ranger Sprint Boost I
Enhancement: Cleric Radiant Servant I
Enhancement: Cleric Radiant Servant II
Enhancement: Improved Paladin Dilettante I
Enhancement: Improved Paladin Dilettante II
Enhancement: Improved Paladin Dilettante III
Enhancement: Human Improved Recovery I
Enhancement: Human Improved Recovery II
Enhancement: Human Versatility I
Enhancement: Human Versatility II
Enhancement: Human Versatility III
Enhancement: Human Versatility IV
Enhancement: Way of the Clever Monkey I
Enhancement: Racial Toughness I
Enhancement: Racial Toughness II
Enhancement: Ranger Favored Damage I
Enhancement: Ranger Favored Damage II
Enhancement: Improved Heal I
Enhancement: Improved Heal II
Enhancement: Cleric Prayer of Life I
Enhancement: Cleric Prayer of Incredible Life I
Enhancement: Cleric Life Magic I
Enhancement: Cleric Life Magic II
Enhancement: Cleric Life Magic III
Enhancement: Cleric Life Magic IV
Enhancement: Cleric Energy of the Zealot I
Enhancement: Cleric Energy of the Zealot II
Enhancement: Cleric Charisma I
Enhancement: Cleric Charisma II
Enhancement: Cleric Wisdom I
Enhancement: Cleric Wisdom II
Enhancement: Cleric Divine Might I
Enhancement: Cleric Divine Might II
Enhancement: Cleric Divine Vitality I
Enhancement: Cleric Divine Vitality II
Enhancement: Cleric Extra Turning I
Enhancement: Cleric Extra Turning II
Enhancement: Cleric Improved Turning I
Enhancement: Cleric Improved Turning II
Enhancement: Cleric Wand and Scroll Mastery I
Enhancement: Cleric Wand and Scroll Mastery II

Enhancements could also use some adjusting, but this is good enough for a rough idea of what I'll be doing.
I personally could not find any way to get the stat points for DMIII without just ruining the rest of my stats, but if you wanted to go completely uncentered and drop zen archery you could instead do something like:

Str 16
Dex 14
Con 12
Int 12
Wis 14
Cha 14

All levels up into str
You could also redo the order of the levels and go - 1Cleric/2-3Monk/4-14Cleric/15-20Ranger and your feats would look like this

1 Cleric (Emp Healing)
2 Monk (Toughness)
3 Monk (Power Attack, Cleave)
6 Cleric (Great Cleave)
9 Cleric (Quicken)
12 Cleric (Point Blank Shot)
15 Ranger (ImpCrit:Ranged, Favored Enemy: Giant)
18 Ranger (Extend)
19 Ranger (Favored Enemy: Dragon/Evil Outsider/Elf)
21 (ImpCrit:Slash/Blunt)
24 (OverWhelming Critical)