Cleric - Were you expecting a Melee and/or Offensive Caster Pre?

[artistx]

That's what I was expecting too.. but instead we got Healing and the Protection Domain prestiges... and I know the reason why...

It's simple.. Cleric is F2P and I'm willing to bet that the 2 Favored Soul Prestiges are Melee and Offensive Caster type prestiges...

[moops]

That's what I was expecting too.. but instead we got Healing and the Protection Domain prestiges... and I know the reason why...

It's simple.. Cleric is F2P and I'm willing to bet that the 2 Favored Soul Prestiges are Melee and Offensive Caster type prestiges...

I was thinking this as well--except that Pure FVs only has 3 lvl 6 spell slots ( My cleric on Live uses all 6 in end game, and even changes one of them out) and they have to wait 3 days or pay to change spells.

To me, FVS is more limited in being a caster, tho Turbine prob expects FVS to just use Blade Barrier and Implosion and not even think about using Undeath to Death or trying to slot Slay Living, not just destruction.

Maybe, Clerics will also have access to the FVS offensive casting ehnahncements.

[shadereaper33]

You're right, I'm sure it has absolutely nothing to do with the fact that clerics are designed to be more defensive divines, and favored souls are more offensive divines. And, you know, they will never, ever release a third PrE tree for clerics that is more focused on offense.

[PNellesen]

And, you know, they will never, ever release a third PrE tree for clerics that is more focused on offense.

I'll believe it when I see it.

[artistx]

You're right, I'm sure it has absolutely nothing to do with the fact that clerics are designed to be more defensive divines, and favored souls are more offensive divines. And, you know, they will never, ever release a third PrE tree for clerics that is more focused on offense.

They could just allow clerics to use Pale Master as it's 3rd prestige pretty sure it fits lore wise......

[nibel]

Or they added the two domines for the Host, and FvS will test out the Silver Flame dominions. And then on the second pass, the racial ones.

We can dream, right?

[Pape_27]

. And, you know, they will never, ever release a third PrE tree for clerics that is more focused on offense.

given turbines track record of not finishing things I think its pretty safe to assume that they wont.

[Karavek]

They could just allow clerics to use Pale Master as it's 3rd prestige pretty sure it fits lore wise......

i actually suggested that once, as well as making vampire one anyone could take at a certain lvl kind of as a universal option, thus allowing more players the optiong to choose negative energy and promot better class syngery options to work with the ever more popular PM being seen as the only option for non WF arcanes.

Got ignored or disagreed with because ofcourse then even if barbs and fighters became vamps they would probably only then complain about needing arcanes and divines to nanny them.

[Aelonwy]

To Op: Yes, yes I was expecting a melee/defense tree and an offensive casting tree. I just brainstormed some ideas as to what I would have put in them in my thread.

However, as others above have said its unlikely that we will recieve those things for cleric now. This game has a long track record of starting a project and then leaving it unfinished for years, and completely ignoring player feedback when its not what they want to hear. Those two issues together do not bode well for my main character.

Just to be on the safe side I will be prepping her to TR into a Favored Soul. This way if the devs surprise me and fully flesh out the cleric enahncements I can stay a cleric and be happy. But if not I'll be fully prepped to TR into a Favored Soul which isn't my ideal choice but would be preferable to a cleric that can't do anything well but heal.

[Deadlock]

You're right, I'm sure it has absolutely nothing to do with the fact that clerics are designed to be more defensive divines, and favored souls are more offensive divines. And, you know, they will never, ever release a third PrE tree for clerics that is more focused on offense.

Is this intended to be a sarcastic reply in support of what we currently have?

I thought we were trying to make observations on what is currently being proposed to help provide feedback in order for things to be improved before they go live.

I can't remember reading anywhere that we've to use wild speculation and conjecture to passify ourselves with anything that we consider to be a poor direction for the current enhancements, on the basis that it'll all be alright in some unforeseen future when additional stuff is added.

Clerics should have the option of being defensive or offensive. FVS should have the option of being defensive or offensive. I'm determined not to jump on the pigeon-hole bandwagon developing in other threads, but when it comes to the cleric class, from what I'm seeing in the alpha offering, this needs a pretty major rethink before we see the beta version.

[Dagolar]

http://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/SRD:War_Domain

Lets just assume they're translating current PrEs first and then will be adding more PrEs in the future, as per the path they indicated they'd take.


And it's absolutely ludicrous to base expectations on what -hasn't- been in the game thus far (in this case, offensive cleric pre, defensive/healing FvS PrE) rather than what HAS.

And while the rearrangement of some abilities is questionable, they did translate all the existing components- such as the Radiant Servant's light power bonuses; that is, the existing offensive cleric enhancements.

[Flavilandile]

then will be adding more PrEs in the future

We have been promised a second PRE and RS III since PREs were introduced... See what we have been given.

That won't add any Tree to the Cleric in the foreseable future, we are stuck with two Trees.
One really s**king [protection] and one not so bad [Healing] if you love being a healbot and are willing to dish out the cost for it.

[Kelendren]

That's what I was expecting too.. but instead we got Healing and the Protection Domain prestiges... and I know the reason why...

It's simple.. Cleric is F2P and I'm willing to bet that the 2 Favored Soul Prestiges are Melee and Offensive Caster type prestiges...

One of the new FvS PrE's will be Beacon of Hope, a healer.

[Kelendren]

They could just allow clerics to use Pale Master as it's 3rd prestige pretty sure it fits lore wise......

Not really. Pale Master has always been Arcane and not Divine

[Phidius]

Yes, I was hoping for an improvement to the Divine Might idea myself. Surprise!

[artistx]

One of the new FvS PrE's will be Beacon of Hope, a healer.

Then I bet favored soul will get 3 prestige classes

[saco]

Yes I was very much expecting a Battle Cleric or War Priest PrE that is typically available and more so since it was a promised PrE in the Christmas class PrE list. Didn't expect to get the short end of the stick just like in Neverwinter. Was gonna create a cleric when the enhancement was gonna pass and have a TR project but not any more. Hopefully the FvS and Paladin don't get the same abysmal treatment for their PrEs.

[JOTMON]

1.Radiant Servant (Nannybot/Protector)
2.Battle Caster (Offensive casting Healer)
3.Warpriest (Melee Healer)

These were the 3 I was expecting to see with all prestiges up to the 3rd tier for levels (6/12/18).
so we would have options to be 2/3 radiant and 1/3 something else or whatever variation suited our desire.

Was hoping to also see a taste of the Divine Orders.. God Domains for that twist to flavor for alignment/racials.

We should have had enough AP to choose basic Cleric enhancements, branch fully 1 of 3 paths or any combination of the 3 paths to not exceed 1 full path.

So a Generalist Cleric could take 1/3 of each path and be balanced at all 3.. while a focussed path gives significant boosts to 1 path with some downsides to the other 2 paths. Similar to a Sorc Savant and the elemental lines..

There should be enough AP left after selecting the generic cleric needs and prestige path to take advantage of racial enhancments and pickup some nifty stuff as fillers. This would allow Multi-classers to be viable albeit a bit tighter on spend points and forsake some optional extra's.



No one said this would be an easy task.... but this is what I was expecting to see.

[Antheal]

One of the new FvS PrE's will be Beacon of Hope, a healer.

It had better be. If Beacon of Hope doesn't out-heal the Cleric's Radiant Servant, it'll be the final nail in the coffin for my interest in DDO.

[SealedInSong]

I was thinking this as well--except that Pure FVs only has 3 lvl 6 spell slots ( My cleric on Live uses all 6 in end game, and even changes one of them out) and they have to wait 3 days or pay to change spells.

To me, FVS is more limited in being a caster, tho Turbine prob expects FVS to just use Blade Barrier and Implosion and not even think about using Undeath to Death or trying to slot Slay Living, not just destruction.

Maybe, Clerics will also have access to the FVS offensive casting ehnahncements.

I love that ridiculous Evocation pigeon-holing they did at the Tier5. Classic devs.