Forum Reputation

[bartharok]

I was told that you can report Neg Reputation if you think that was unfair.

http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=184383

Did it and got my rep back (it was an rather obvious case of negrep to be nasty)

[luvirini]

Forum reputation is like a high school popularity contest.. in the end fully meaningless.

[SirValentine]

Meh, only way to get high rep is by saying boring things that everyone agrees with, or by making an awesome joke.

It's quite possible to get rep, and lots of it, for actually posting worthwhile new information. Like figuring out how certain game mechanics work, or posting a good comprehensive guide to something.

I gladly give, and have received plenty of, pos rep for just such things.

[justhavinfun]

To me neg rep on the forums is much like the kill count in the game. In many cases it is just somebody trying to get in the last blow so they feel better about themselves. In either case I personally don't really care.

As has been stated if you want pos rep and minnimum neg rep only post jokes, and always agree with the majority. These are the only 2 things I can think of that will keep your neg rep to a minimum.

I have actually been surprised by getting pos rep on post I have made where I would have given myself neg rep. On the other hand I have received neg rep when making a valid point just because it went against the majority.

I feel that in order to give rep of any type you should have to post your reasoning for it instead of just hitting a button. This would allow the person receiving the rep to see why they got it. This way if it was truly undeserved they would have something concrete to show the moderators to try and get it changed.

[Cogdoc]

... (no,i dont mean tokens of negrep in DDOStore or anything like that, just some way of making certain people wont negrep just to be nasty), ....

Boy, you got a good idea there... More money for Turbine, and it comes from angry forum trolls! Win-win in my eyes...

Cogdoc

[bartharok]

Boy, you got a good idea there... More money for Turbine, and it comes from angry forum trolls! Win-win in my eyes...

Cogdoc

Well... at least it wouldnt be pay-to-win, but it would be pay-to-be-a-jerk, which is.... well.... the way the world works.... Hey, this is a fantasy game, keep that part of reality away, please.

[eonfreon]

Well... at least it wouldnt be pay-to-win, but it would be pay-to-be-a-jerk, which is.... well.... the way the world works.... Hey, this is a fantasy game, keep that part of reality away, please.

I wonder if someone gives negrep to be nasty, and that neg is challenged like you did and is taken away, if the person that gave the negrep would at least get some kind of warning.

Well,the Devs won't comment on those things so I suppose it's just idle speculation. Would be nice if they got some warning. I'm sure the Devs can see who gave the unjustified negrep. I remember hearing about a glitch where everyone got to see who gave them rep awhile back.

[Derailment]

Do you realize that most of forums here beyond this are pay-2-write?

[eonfreon]

Do you realize that most of forums here beyond this are pay-2-write?

Yep. In fact, once upon a time when this game was purely subscription based every part of the forums were offlimits except for reading them. If your subscription was expired you could not participate in any discussion.

[EllisDee37]

People who post opinions contrary to the crowd get Negative Rep
[...]
The really frustrating thing is that if you don't get enough Positive Rep, or too much Negative Rep, then you can't give any Negative Rep to anyone that you disagree with. How is that fair?

If you should be able to neg rep what you disagree with, isn't it WAI that posting opinions contrary to the crowd garners negative rep?

[78mackson]

ohh.. no!

[Silverwren]

.....but I thought that the purpose of the forums was to promote constructive discussion (which can lead to constructive tension), and the sharing of ideas and knowledge.

This is where you went wrong.

If this forum didn't have a reputation system that could be easily abused by those contributors who had enough positive reputation to give out negative reputation willy-nilly, you'd be mostly correct in your statement.

But society has morphed over the years. No longer is it acceptable to meet and discuss ideas and thoughts without fear of retribution, ridicule and public humiliation. It's all about winning, you see. Instead of debating in a thoughtful, logical and polite manner, forums have become games that needs to be won at any cost, and to that end negative reputation is just another tool to be used to win that game.

[Miow]

I've never given rep of any kind whatsoever. If i agree or disagree i'm going to tell you to your face. Errr computer screen.

[jfgddo]

Passed you some rep. Good point!

[Gremmlynn]

I have been playing this game since beta, and have been posting on the forums since just a few months after launch. I do not post a lot, but when I do post something it is generally relevant and well thought out. And yes, sometimes controversial or contrary to the opinion of many other people, but I thought that the purpose of the forums was to promote constructive discussion (which can lead to constructive tension), and the sharing of ideas and knowledge.

I do not believe that the Forum Reputation system supports the expression of varied opinions. People who post opinions contrary to the crowd get Negative Rep, which may make them afraid to post what they really think another time. The really frustrating thing is that if you don't get enough Positive Rep, or too much Negative Rep, then you can't give any Negative Rep to anyone that you disagree with. How is that fair?

OK so now feel free to Negative Rep me to death and nuke the few reputation points I have managed to get after years and hundreds of posts just because I want the Devs to spend time creating game content instead of dances, and I don't feel that guilds that did not get hit with the recent excessive guild decay should get free renown that they did not work for. What do you care, since I don't have enough Positive Rep to give anyone Negative Rep if you post something that I do not agree with?

The rep system is best ignored IMO. I find it hard to believe that it was put in place for any reason but to stifle opinions contrary to the norm and cause people to be afraid to post such.

It was never put in place to be fair or to promote meaningful debate. It's purpose is to make fewer mods necessary and the most sensitive customers from being offended.

That said, +1 for going there.

[Gkar]

I do not believe that the Forum Reputation system supports the expression of varied opinions. People who post opinions contrary to the crowd get Negative Rep, which may make them afraid to post what they really think another time. The really frustrating thing is that if you don't get enough Positive Rep, or too much Negative Rep, then you can't give any Negative Rep to anyone that you disagree with. How is that fair?

I disagree with you.

First of all you aren't allowed to give negative rep just because you disagree with a post. If you are caught doing that (and trust me, the mods pay attention) then you can have penalties applied to you ranging from warnings to infraction points to suspension/banning.

In my experience, about 90% of the time when I look at what I received a neg rep point for I can, if I stand back, see that it does in fact violate forum guidelines (often because I was rude or snarky and was at least into the "gray" zone of forum conduct)

If you believe you have incorrectly received neg rep, report your own post, in the comment let them know about the improper neg rep, and they will look at it. They can, and do, remove inappropriate neg rep.

Not having a minimum rep count before allowing neg rep to be used would just result in hundreds (or more) troll accounts being opened.

[Thrudh]

I have been playing this game since beta, and have been posting on the forums since just a few months after launch. I do not post a lot, but when I do post something it is generally relevant and well thought out. And yes, sometimes controversial or contrary to the opinion of many other people, but I thought that the purpose of the forums was to promote constructive discussion (which can lead to constructive tension), and the sharing of ideas and knowledge.

I do not believe that the Forum Reputation system supports the expression of varied opinions. People who post opinions contrary to the crowd get Negative Rep, which may make them afraid to post what they really think another time. The really frustrating thing is that if you don't get enough Positive Rep, or too much Negative Rep, then you can't give any Negative Rep to anyone that you disagree with. How is that fair?

OK so now feel free to Negative Rep me to death and nuke the few reputation points I have managed to get after years and hundreds of posts just because I want the Devs to spend time creating game content instead of dances, and I don't feel that guilds that did not get hit with the recent excessive guild decay should get free renown that they did not work for. What do you care, since I don't have enough Positive Rep to give anyone Negative Rep if you post something that I do not agree with?

I do not believe this is true at all...

I go against the crowd all the time, and I rarely get negative rep. The times I do get negative rep is when I cross a line, and say something insulting (not just disagreeing). I also only hand out neg rep when someone is insulting, not because I disagree with them.

80% of the neg rep I get is deserved, and the other 20% I get removed by reporting the post, and asking the mods to remove it.

Give us some links to posts of yours that got a lot of neg rep, so we can see if you are being unfairly prosecuted

[bartharok]

I disagree with you.

First of all you aren't allowed to give negative rep just because you disagree with a post. If you are caught doing that (and trust me, the mods pay attention) then you can have penalties applied to you ranging from warnings to infraction points to suspension/banning.

In my experience, about 90% of the time when I look at what I received a neg rep point for I can, if I stand back, see that it does in fact violate forum guidelines (often because I was rude or snarky and was at least into the "gray" zone of forum conduct)

If you believe you have incorrectly received neg rep, report your own post, in the comment let them know about the improper neg rep, and they will look at it. They can, and do, remove inappropriate neg rep.

Not having a minimum rep count before allowing neg rep to be used would just result in hundreds (or more) troll accounts being opened.

True enough, but i have noticed a tendency to get negrep for things that i have posted ages ago when i have disagreed politely with some group that is quite vehement about their subject. Ita makes me believe that there is a mindset that recognizes the fact that you cant negrep just anything, but still do. Theyre just being clever about it.

[Gkar]

True enough, but i have noticed a tendency to get negrep for things that i have posted ages ago when i have disagreed politely with some group that is quite vehement about their subject. Ita makes me believe that there is a mindset that recognizes the fact that you cant negrep just anything, but still do. Theyre just being clever about it.

Yeah, wierd stuff does happen. But you can report those if the red box really bothers you.

[bartharok]

Yeah, wierd stuff does happen. But you can report those if the red box really bothers you.

The trouble is, the things that get negrepped in this scenario are negreppable, but it may be from a thread that has been dead for 6 months+. So they are perfectly valid negreps, in theory.